Good invisible Web statistics program?

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Robert Montgomery wrote:
>
>> Scott Bryce wrote:
>>
>>> Robert Montgomery wrote:
>>>
>>>> It would not be cost effective to switch ISPs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not suggesting that you switch ISPs. I m suggesting that you
>>> keep your ISP and move just your hosting somewhere else. A 2-domain
>>> plan at a low cost web host will run between $5.00 USD and $10.00 USD
>>> per month. Is it worth that much additional cost to get the
>>> statistics that you want? Will you save that much or more if you
>>> don't host at your ISP?
>>
>>
>> I went to a great deal of trouble (several hours of frustrating,
>> stress ful work) to amalgamate my Web services to try to streamline
>> them, by switching my domain hosting from my domain registrars to my
>> Web host/ISP, so I don't see how it would help to split the services
>> from my current setup:
>>
>> • two domain registrars and
>> • one domain host/Web host/ISP
>>
>> which would then become:
>>
>> • two domain registrars
>> • one Web host/ISP
>> • one domain host
>>
>
> Why do you have two registrars?

Because one handles only .ca domains and the other doesn't, and I wanted
a .ca domain.
>
> And why do you insist that your ISP has to be the same as your ISP?
>
> For any domain, I have one registrar and one hosting company. I also
> have two different ISP's (primary and backup), but neither has anything
> to do with hosting.
>
>
>> As it stands now, I have to pay three companies for my Web services
>> and you're suggesting that I further complicate the situation by
>> having four Web services suppliers.
>>
>
> I don't see that anyone's suggesting that. But your domain registrar
> should NEVER be the same as your hosting company.

I had it set up like that before, but I removed the domain hosting from
my registrars and moved them to my site host/ISP.
>
>> And of course any switching of such services always entails hours of
>> frustrating, stressful work trying to communicate with the parties
>> involved to sort out all of the complex technical issues invloved, and
>> dealing with customer service and tech service people many of whom
>> don't know what they're doing.
>>
>
> Then maybe you need to pay someone to do the work for you. Last time I
> switched a domain to another registrar it too less than five minutes.
>
> And BTW - it took no technical knowledge - all I had to do was read the
> directions at my registrar.
>
>> Robert

That's like me saying it takes no technical knowledge for you to paint a
great painting, which is something I can do. What's intuitive to each of
us may not be to someone else with different intrinsic skills.

I hate technical crap like switching hosting. It causes me to feel very
stressed, and I can't afford to hire anyone. I'm running a small,
one-man operation and I do almost everything, from sys admin to
accounting to reception to product research to cleaning the office bathroom.

And as I pointed out elsewhere, there is no need to take the drastic
step of switching hosting. I switched site trackers instead (much
easier!) and the problem has been solved. There's no need to throw out
the baby with the bath water.

Robert

Robert Montgomery wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> Robert Montgomery wrote:
>>
>>> Scott Bryce wrote:
>>>
>>>> Robert Montgomery wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It would not be cost effective to switch ISPs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not suggesting that you switch ISPs. I m suggesting that you
>>>> keep your ISP and move just your hosting somewhere else. A 2-domain
>>>> plan at a low cost web host will run between $5.00 USD and $10.00
>>>> USD per month. Is it worth that much additional cost to get the
>>>> statistics that you want? Will you save that much or more if you
>>>> don't host at your ISP?
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to a great deal of trouble (several hours of frustrating,
>>> stress ful work) to amalgamate my Web services to try to streamline
>>> them, by switching my domain hosting from my domain registrars to my
>>> Web host/ISP, so I don't see how it would help to split the services
>>> from my current setup:
>>>
>>> • two domain registrars and
>>> • one domain host/Web host/ISP
>>>
>>> which would then become:
>>>
>>> • two domain registrars
>>> • one Web host/ISP
>>> • one domain host
>>>
>>
>> Why do you have two registrars?
>
> Because one handles only .ca domains and the other doesn't, and I wanted
> a .ca domain.
>>
>> And why do you insist that your ISP has to be the same as your ISP?
>>
>> For any domain, I have one registrar and one hosting company. I also
>> have two different ISP's (primary and backup), but neither has
>> anything to do with hosting.
>>
>>
>>> As it stands now, I have to pay three companies for my Web services
>>> and you're suggesting that I further complicate the situation by
>>> having four Web services suppliers.
>>>
>>
>> I don't see that anyone's suggesting that. But your domain registrar
>> should NEVER be the same as your hosting company.
>
> I had it set up like that before, but I removed the domain hosting from
> my registrars and moved them to my site host/ISP.
>>
>>> And of course any switching of such services always entails hours of
>>> frustrating, stressful work trying to communicate with the parties
>>> involved to sort out all of the complex technical issues invloved,
>>> and dealing with customer service and tech service people many of
>>> whom don't know what they're doing.
>>>
>>
>> Then maybe you need to pay someone to do the work for you. Last time
>> I switched a domain to another registrar it too less than five minutes.
>>
>> And BTW - it took no technical knowledge - all I had to do was read
>> the directions at my registrar.
>>
>>> Robert
>
> That's like me saying it takes no technical knowledge for you to paint a
> great painting, which is something I can do. What's intuitive to each of
> us may not be to someone else with different intrinsic skills.
>

No, it's like saying I need no technical knowledge to paint by numbers.

> I hate technical crap like switching hosting. It causes me to feel very
> stressed, and I can't afford to hire anyone. I'm running a small,
> one-man operation and I do almost everything, from sys admin to
> accounting to reception to product research to cleaning the office
> bathroom.
>

That's up to you.

> And as I pointed out elsewhere, there is no need to take the drastic
> step of switching hosting. I switched site trackers instead (much
> easier!) and the problem has been solved. There's no need to throw out
> the baby with the bath water.
>
> Robert

Well, it's obvious you have no desire to really manage your own hosting
and domain. Every suggestion anyone has made you've found excuses as to
why you can't do it (usually "too hard" or "too time-consuming" or similar).

Let me make a suggestion. Forget about making all your excuses in this
newsgroup. We know how easy it is. Rather, hire someone to manage your
domain and hosting for you.

And don't bother us with your excuses any more.



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