View Source doesn't really view source

Now that I've converted my web site to PHP, I notice that, when I bring up
one of my web pages and "view source", I don't get the original source, but
rather the HTML/Javascript source which is passed to the client.

That's okay, I guess, when I want to see what the output of my PHP is. But
what if you're browsing someone's web site and want to see the original
source? Is there a simple way to do this?

For example, I was looking at Howard Dean's web site
http://www.deanforamerica.com, and was amazed that such a high-profile site
had redundant code. Now I realize that it may not be redundant at all.

By the way, has anyone noticed that PHP and Javascript are virtually
identical? Makes me wonder whether all object-oriented programming
languages are basically the same language, with minor twists.

--
Matt Beckwith, M.D.
http://drbeckwith.com

"Matt Beckwith" <matt@doctorbeckwith.com> schreef in bericht
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> Now that I've converted my web site to PHP, I notice that, when I bring up
> one of my web pages and "view source", I don't get the original source,
but
> rather the HTML/Javascript source which is passed to the client.
>
> That's okay, I guess, when I want to see what the output of my PHP is.
But
> what if you're browsing someone's web site and want to see the original
> source? Is there a simple way to do this?
>

Fortunately not, otherwise you would be able to see other people's passwords
for instance. PHP is a server-side scripting language which is parsed at
server level. The browser only gets the generated output.

If you want to see the source, you should open an FTP or SSH connection to
the server.

> By the way, has anyone noticed that PHP and Javascript are virtually
> identical? Makes me wonder whether all object-oriented programming
> languages are basically the same language, with minor twists.
>

To some extend, the syntax is somewhat comparible, but I wouldn't call PHP
and JavaScript virtually identical.

BTW, IMO, JavaScript isn't object-oriented but object-based. But this
discussion is off-topic.


JW

"Ian.H [dS]" <ian@WINDOZEdigiserv.net> wrote

> http://www.ssh.com/

You still haven't answered my question. What's SSH? The web page you
referenced doesn't answer the question, and I don't have time to surf their
entire web site trying to find one. But if you don't want to tell me,
that's fine.

--
Matt Beckwith, M.D.
http://drbeckwith.com

"Kyndig" <kyndig@nospamkyndig.com> wrote in message
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> I havn't run across any major language yet (I stay away from windows
> specific languages..) that doesn't conform to the norms in syntax
> handling. Once you have a good handle on the aspects of basic
> programming and syntatical use, you are able to apply that knowledge to
> just about any language.

Umm...

I guess you don't count LISP, FORTH, or Prolog as 'major' languages?

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"Matt Beckwith" <matt@doctorbeckwith.com> schreef in bericht
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>
> You still haven't answered my question. What's SSH? The web page you
> referenced doesn't answer the question, and I don't have time to surf
their
> entire web site trying to find one. But if you don't want to tell me,
> that's fine.
>

SSH = Secure SHell, which enables secure connections between clients and
servers.


JW

Saturday 02 of August 2003 19:49, Matt Beckwith wrote in alt.comp.lang.php:

>
> You still haven't answered my question. What's SSH? The web page you
> referenced doesn't answer the question, and I don't have time to surf
> their
> entire web site trying to find one. But if you don't want to tell me,
> that's fine.

You must be joking!

Do you think that the others *do* have time to answer your silly questions?
SSH's website gives enough information, all you have to do is to read it
.... but I know, that's a waste of time for you ...

The people here use *their* time for replying to your questions, which could
be answered just as well if you spent *your* time reading the fu....g
manual! It's you who want to know something, not the people replying ...

Everything is fine as long as you don't insult the people who are trying to
give you an advice ...

-robert-

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"Matt Beckwith" <matt@doctorbeckwith.com>

> Now that I've converted my web site to PHP, I notice that, when I bring up
> one of my web pages and "view source", I don't get the original source, but
> rather the HTML/Javascript source which is passed to the client.

How strange. You must be using one of those new fangled browsers.
When I veiw source I almost always view what is on the server. Seems
to work best on Thursday's for some reason!

> That's okay, I guess, when I want to see what the output of my PHP is. But
> what if you're browsing someone's web site and want to see the original
> source? Is there a simple way to do this?

You could use the browser that I'm using. Or - the other thing I do a
lot is just write the webmaster@whatever.com and ask her to email me
all their code, testing algorithms and flow charts of the site. This
makes it MUCH easier for me to create my own site. And you'll save
gobs of time too.

> By the way, has anyone noticed that PHP and Javascript are virtually
> identical? Makes me wonder whether all object-oriented programming
> languages are basically the same language, with minor twists.

That's soooooooooooo true ! I DID notice that. For years and years
I've been using client side scriopting for pop-up ads, browser
checking, a really cool hit counter and a neato line that displays the
correct time and day!!! But - now that I've become an expert in
client0-sdie scripting using PHP, I've throwm away all my pesky
language books like Java and C and now ONLY EVER use PHP for every
single task I need accomplished.

It's simply the WONDER LANGUAGE! I happy you've discovered it, and I
welcome you to the wondeful world of php.

Check out my new website - I think you might like it:
http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html

Sylvie.

"Matt Beckwith" <matt@doctorbeckwith.com> wrote in message news:<bgg2go0hbe@enews1.newsguy.com>...
> Now that I've converted my web site to PHP, I notice that, when I bring up
> one of my web pages and "view source", I don't get the original source, but
> rather the HTML/Javascript source which is passed to the client.
>
> That's okay, I guess, when I want to see what the output of my PHP is. But
> what if you're browsing someone's web site and want to see the original
> source? Is there a simple way to do this?
>
> For example, I was looking at Howard Dean's web site
> http://www.deanforamerica.com, and was amazed that such a high-profile site
> had redundant code. Now I realize that it may not be redundant at all.
>
> By the way, has anyone noticed that PHP and Javascript are virtually
> identical? Makes me wonder whether all object-oriented programming
> languages are basically the same language, with minor twists.

Hey Matt - sorry about flaming you earlier. After I posted I went to
your website and could see that you were not just trolling around -
which is what I thought you were doing FOR SURE.

Sorry 'bout that!!

Syl.

Firstly you don't bother to do a search for what you want to know about and
then you practically demand an answer. If you havent got time to look on the
website, how have you got time to be posting to here?

And the time it took for you to ask the question and get a reply, about 4
hours. Would it really have taken you that long to look on the site?

I'm not picking on you. I'm just saying, if you wanna know about any
programming language, or anything that requires some knowledge of computers,
you've got to be able to do research. Especially being able to type
something into a search engine, and getting the result you wanted.

S

"Matt Beckwith" <matt@doctorbeckwith.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ian.H [dS]" <ian@WINDOZEdigiserv.net> wrote
>
> > http://www.ssh.com/
>
> You still haven't answered my question. What's SSH? The web page you
> referenced doesn't answer the question, and I don't have time to surf
their
> entire web site trying to find one. But if you don't want to tell me,
> that's fine.
>
> --
> Matt Beckwith, M.D.
> http://drbeckwith.com
>
>