[PEAR-DEV] Request for features in PEAR 2.0 (codename Pyrus)

How about dependency checks for things outside of PHP? We've been pushing PEAR as a possible way to deploy our ASP.NET apps under Mono so that our Linux sysadmins don't have yet another way to manage application deployment. Being able to specify dependencies for non-PHP apps/libraries would help. Granted I'm not the expert on PEAR but the only useful dependency outside of PHP I can currently set is the OS

--Tony

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From: Stephan Wentz <stephan@wentz.it>
To: Greg Beaver <greg@chiaraquartet.net>
Cc: PEAR developer mailinglist <pear-dev@lists.php.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:32:00 PM
Subject: Re: [PEAR-DEV] Request for features in PEAR 2.0 (codename Pyrus)

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Greg Beaver wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As some of you know, plans are well underway for the next generation
> PEAR installer, which will be named Pyrus barring any problems with
> trademarks or other naming issues. Pyrus is the genus of the pear
> fruit. The goal is to encompass even more functionality than the
> current PEAR installer.
>
> The roadmap for PEAR 2.0 is at
> http://pear.php.net/bugs/roadmap.php?package=PEAR
>
> Please peruse the feature list and if you have ideas for new features,
> open a feature request at http://pear.php.net/bugs/report.php?package=PEAR
>
> The current source for the new installer is in CVS at pear-core/PEAR2.
>
> Thank you,
> Greg

Would be great to make my repository relocatable. I just ran through
this and was faster re-installing 25 packages than looking through the
registry and change paths...

Bye, Stephan
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On 5/23/07, Tony Bibbs <tony@tonybibbs.com> wrote:
>
> How about dependency checks for things outside of PHP? We've been pushing
> PEAR as a possible way to deploy our ASP.NET apps under Mono so that our
> Linux sysadmins don't have yet another way to manage application
> deployment. Being able to specify dependencies for non-PHP apps/libraries
> would help. Granted I'm not the expert on PEAR but the only useful
> dependency outside of PHP I can currently set is the OS


wouldn't we then be pushing into an area rpm and apt would out shine us
easily ? :-)

- Helgi

On 5/23/07, Helgi Þormar Þorbjörnsson <helgith@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/23/07, Tony Bibbs <tony@tonybibbs.com> wrote:
> >
> > How about dependency checks for things outside of PHP? We've been pushing
> > PEAR as a possible way to deploy our ASP.NET apps under Mono so that our
> > Linux sysadmins don't have yet another way to manage application
> > deployment. Being able to specify dependencies for non-PHP apps/libraries
> > would help. Granted I'm not the expert on PEAR but the only useful
> > dependency outside of PHP I can currently set is the OS
>
>
> wouldn't we then be pushing into an area rpm and apt would out shine us
> easily ? :-)

<flame>
I honestly don't think that RPM and APT outshine anything.
</flame>

;-)

Helgi Þormar Þorbjörnsson wrote:
> On 5/23/07, Tony Bibbs <tony@tonybibbs.com> wrote:
>>
>> How about dependency checks for things outside of PHP? We've been
>> pushing
>> PEAR as a possible way to deploy our ASP.NET apps under Mono so that our
>> Linux sysadmins don't have yet another way to manage application
>> deployment. Being able to specify dependencies for non-PHP
>> apps/libraries
>> would help. Granted I'm not the expert on PEAR but the only useful
>> dependency outside of PHP I can currently set is the OS
>
>
> wouldn't we then be pushing into an area rpm and apt would out shine us
> easily ? :-)

Couldn't the same be said about Maven, Ant, make, etc., etc., when
comparing phing? I still like using phing because I can add new
functionality without having to mentally shift gears into another language.

But couldn't this be handled by making your other dependencies other
packages? I'm relatively sure that the installer is agnostic as to what
it installs. If that's correct, then as long as the other things you
want to depend on are distributed as PEAR packages you're good.

Something that would be useful is the ability to have pre-install
scripts that could run. Doing that, you could handle your dependencies
by looking for your external apps/libraries in those scripts and fail to
install if they weren't available.

-Travis

Tony Bibbs wrote:
> How about dependency checks for things outside of PHP? We've been
> pushing PEAR as a possible way to deploy our ASP.NET apps under Mono
> so that our Linux sysadmins don't have yet another way to manage
> application deployment. Being able to specify dependencies for
> non-PHP apps/libraries would help. Granted I'm not the expert on
> PEAR but the only useful dependency outside of PHP I can currently
> set is the OS

Hi Tony,

If the dependency is something like "ASP.NET version blah" this is a
difficult one. The only non-PHP dependency aside from OS is arch, and
it is probably not so useful in your case.

As Travis suggested, the way this is handled in other package managers
is to create packages for those things. For instance, gentoo portage
can only recognize something as being installed if an ebuild has been
installed.

You could create a package.xml with a specific version for the
dependency, and have a dummy README file or something like that.

This would probably be far more effective than asking PHP/PEAR to jump
through new hoops with non-standard things.

Greg

On 5/23/07, till <klimpong@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> <flame>
> I honestly don't think that RPM and APT outshine anything.
> </flame>
>
> ;-)


Okay, I'll bite... "portage, baby, yeah!!!"
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