Form elements not same size (text / textarea)

> <snip the rest as it obviously was not understood>
>
> I've gotten back to the group and find that I am an idiot.
>
> Thank you very much. Thanks to the other posters who already have said
> everything I would want to say. My websites are very professional looking,
> and all validate xhtml 1.0 strict with valid css as well.
>
> Why not go curl up with a good book? Perhaps even one about usenet
> guidelines?

That's the kind of comment that made me reply and call you an idiot. Your
reply had more intention of showing how clever you are about the web rather
than being helpful. I was after advice from other web developers that could
help me with a question I posted, not a lesson on how you cannot guarantee
that all people will have the same browser (which of course I am aware of).
Actually in this case I can guarantee they will, as the site is for an
intranet and the standard is I.E. 6. It would have been more helpful to have
answered the question or not posted a reply at all.

As per my original post a text element set to 18 : <input name="newCostUnit"
type="text" id="newCostUnit" value="0" size="18">
and a text area underneath :<textarea name="newInfo" cols="18">, are the
same width on some machines under I.E.6 and different with others (in the
same browser version).

It seems from the other 'helpful' replies my 'expectations are quite
unrealistic'? But why? Isn't that the whole point of designing a layout?
Items set to the same char length with the same font should align.

Elliot Lewis pounced upon this pigeonhole and pronounced:
> > <snip the rest as it obviously was not understood>
> >
> > I've gotten back to the group and find that I am an idiot.
> >
> > Thank you very much. Thanks to the other posters who already have said
> > everything I would want to say. My websites are very professional looking,
> > and all validate xhtml 1.0 strict with valid css as well.
> >
> > Why not go curl up with a good book? Perhaps even one about usenet
> > guidelines?
>
> That's the kind of comment that made me reply and call you an idiot. Your
> reply had more intention of showing how clever you are about the web rather
> than being helpful.

I am no more clever than all the others who replied.

> I was after advice from other web developers that could
> help me with a question I posted, not a lesson on how you cannot guarantee
> that all people will have the same browser (which of course I am aware of).

It wasn't evident that you were aware.

> Actually in this case I can guarantee they will, as the site is for an
> intranet and the standard is I.E. 6.

An intranet? That does make a difference. You should have stated that.

Even on an intranet, all using IE6, you will have users with varying
default browser font sizes. Does the entire company consist of employees
with perfect eyesight? Is every monitor set to 800x600 with 96dpi?

> It would have been more helpful to have
> answered the question or not posted a reply at all.

I did provide an answer to your question. I suppose it wasn't the one you
wanted.

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"Elliot Lewis" <elewis@pixel-kit.com> wrote:

>As per my original post a text element set to 18 : <input name="newCostUnit"
>type="text" id="newCostUnit" value="0" size="18">
>and a text area underneath :<textarea name="newInfo" cols="18">, are the
>same width on some machines under I.E.6 and different with others (in the
>same browser version).

Running on the same OS? IE is part of the Windows operating system and
items such as form elements are inherited from the OS. So different
versions of Windows can give different effects. Or even the same
version of Windows with different settings.

And then there are the user settings within the browser itself.

>It seems from the other 'helpful' replies my 'expectations are quite
>unrealistic'? But why?

HTML is about marking up content. Once the content is marked up
browsers will display it in a number of ways. You can't expect
different elements with different attributes to display identically
just because you've given them the same value? The fact that one
element uses size and the other uses cols may have been a clue that
they are different.

>Isn't that the whole point of designing a layout?

'designing a layout' sounds like a job for CSS to me, not HTML.

>Items set to the same char length with the same font should align.

Is it the same font? By default my IE6 uses a proportional font for
input and a monospaced font for textarea.

Can you post a URL so that we can see the surrounding HTML and CSS?
These will obviously have an impact and the default situation I've
described above may be further complicated by your code.

Steve

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I never answer letters and you don't like my tie." - The Doctor

Steve Pugh <steve@pugh.net> <http://steve.pugh.net/>

Elliot Lewis wrote:
<snip>
I was after advice from other web
> developers that could help me with a question I posted, not a lesson
> on how you cannot guarantee that all people will have the same
> browser (which of course I am aware of). Actually in this case I can
> guarantee they will, as the site is for an intranet and the standard
> is I.E. 6. It would have been more helpful to have answered the
> question or not posted a reply at all.

A quick hint for future posts: it would have been more helpful to have
mentioned the intranet - that makes a huge difference to the nature of
likely replies since a great deal of what gets asked here does need a
response pointing out that the Internet is not a standardised environment.

The majority of posters asking the type of question posed by yourself are
not aware of the differences that browsers, monitors and personal
preferences can make - it is helpful to them and their visitors that replies
point out that it is impossible to get an exact duplication of a site's
appearance across all situations. As it happens, that didn't apply to you
but the respondents weren't aware of that.

There is a reasonable assumption hereabouts that questions refer to the
Internet unless othwise stated - had you been trying to get a match across
all platforms on the Internet, the advice given would have saved you hours
if not days of frustration.

--
PeterMcC
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> Please learn how to trim
>
How am I doing?

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"William Tasso" <ngx@tbdata.com> wrote:

>Headless wrote:
>> Please learn how to trim
>>
>How am I doing?

Let's find out. There is only one correct answer, attempts to cheat
result in failing the exam, you have 1 minute to complete it. When you
have finished, get up from your desk (without disturbing any of the
other examinees) and turn in your work to the exam supervisor at the
front of the hall. Smoking is not allowed, answers in HTML will be
discarded.

This is your exam question: Which part of the following text should be
quoted in a usenet follow-up:

I shall quote only those parts of a previous post that are directly
relevant to my reply.
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