Frames Vs. Divs

[MadKad]

Originally Posted by GLD

Definitely avoid using frames in your website.
Divs are clean and a whole lot easier to set up; stay away from the frames unless you have absolutely no choice.

I really dont like div's and think they a really messy also they make the page load messy as well unlike tables and when using tables it can really help with SEO

[weirfire]

Try www.w3schools.com

There's some great tutorials on HTML and it'll help you learn how to use divs. Then take the CSS tutorial and you'll be able to move the divs around.

[Whatcha]

personal think divs and css would be a lot easier if the main browers stuck to the w3c standard as you will either end up creating different css for different browsers or trying to find css hacks.

[weirfire]

Originally Posted by MadKad

I really dont like div's and think they a really messy also they make the page load messy as well unlike tables and when using tables it can really help with SEO

Actually, you're wrong on this one mate. divs are much better for SE's and while I prefer tables it is definitely the divs that do better in the SE's.

divs aren't messy if you can use css and once you get the hang of it you'll not go back to tables. I've not quite crossed that bridge yet but I'm getting pretty skilled at css. Just takes a bit of patience to learn it.

[Whatcha]

Actually, you're wrong on this one mate. divs are much better for SE's and while I prefer tables it is definitely the divs that do better in the SE's.

ssshhh he will want to turn everying into divs rather than tables
...Me thinks an abuse of power may be in order to edit that post for the good of man kind, and my sanity .

I really like css but just stick to the basics and use the for rollovers and such. But i do have an idea of the power of them just a pain trying to remember them though i did get a firefox plugin once for css that was amazing gave a full hierchy of css and it child properies and mixed abit of dom in. Be intresting to see the advent of css2 particulary like the Content idea of before and after and the counter.

thinking about it seems the net programming is going like microsoft, in that to do something their is always about 20 different ways of doing using different tools but at the end the result is the same.

[weirfire]

lol Watcha

One of the nicest sites I worked on that used css and divs only was http://www.web-design-articles.com/

I was only hired to tweak a few things but the whole site set up was fantastic.

[MadKad]

I would still have to say that tables are better for SEO as you can make the page be read in a better way for the SE's.

I would try and explain what I mean but it wouldnt be easy on here, I will be doing it in my SEO tutorial very soon so hopfully we can point our veiws on that then

I have to say that the website you just showed us was a very good looking website

[weirfire]

I would be very interested to see that tutorial because I have discussed this with some of the leading web developers and they concluded that css built websites were far more readable than table based websites.

See here for more info

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=12439
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/tables-vs-css/2
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=TablesVsDivs
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/305.htm


Some interesting reading!

[emmawatson401us]

I use divs on my site I find them way easy to use.

[danielbruzual]

Frames are a thing of the past. They are not very user friendly (why would you want to sacrifice screen space so that the user can always see some static frame.)
IMO anyone interested in making websites should learn some css. After all, it will allow you to determine how your site will look in an organized way without having to type code in every individual html tag (you can link to a stylesheet on the top of a document using <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="style.css" />)