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| Greetings, I just launched an ad campaign inspired by Christopher Locke's excellent book "Gonzo Marketing: Winning Through Worst Practices" (http://www.rageboy.com/). He is also one of the authors of The Cluetrain Manifesto (http://www.cluetrain.com/). I assert that both books are required reading for anyone wanting their business to prosper in the age of the Internet. I ask you to look over my materials and to tell me how to improve. My budget for March is VERY limited - I have already spent $90, with $210 remaining. Not that this month's money is to be spent just on testing the wording of my ads at a single site, the online community Kuro5hin: http://www.kuro5hin.org/ I'm not expecting to make money as a result of my campaign this month. I will have a couple thousand to spend next month, but I will STILL be testing. In April, I'm going to roll out my best ads at Kuro5hin, but then start testing at other sites. I'm very interested to learn of other sites that offer self-service text ads, especially sites that have narrowly-focussed userbases (to allow targeting). I want to pay by the impression, not by the click, so I need to know about sites that are reputable enough to report the number of impressions honestly. I'll be willing to pay by the click after I've completed my testing, and have a better idea how much a click is worth to me. My objective is to get out of my present line of work, custom software development, and commercialize the articles on software development and business that I publish at GoingWare's Bag of Programming Tricks - http://www.goingware.com/tips/ (If you navigate around the different articles there, you will see several different web page designs, many of them appearing really funky. I'm revising them all to use a new CSS-based design my wife Bonita created, but as all my pages are hand-coded static files, it's taking a long time to redesign them all.) I already make some money publishing Google AdSense ads, but AdSense was not performing at all in most of my articles, so I am removing most of the AdSense ads and replacing them with affiliate ads for books at Amazon and Powell's City of Books (http://www.powells.com/). I thought that selling books would work well because I often recommend specific books in my articles. When you look over my materials, you're quite likely to think I've lost my mind. Keep in mind this is supposed to be GONZO Marketing. I am selling my wares in much the same way the the late, great founder of Gonzo Journalism Hunter S. Thompson covered a motorcyle race in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. I am deliberately shooting from the hip, with the express intention of inflaming controversy. My wife, a fine art student, has told me repeatedly that one sure recipe for success in the art world is to upset the public. Possibly the best way for an artist to move her work is to have one of her shows shut down by the police. This lesson is not lost on me; lest you think my marketing materials are inspired by delusion, please understand that I composed them in as cold and calculating a manner as one can only achieve as a result of my desperation to escape the misery of seven years spent software consulting. When one does fixed-cost work as I usually do, and there is some intractable bug in the code one is developing, well then one just doesn't get paid. If I can't fix a difficult bug, sometimes I can't buy food or heating oil - I live in Canada - or make my car or mortgage payments. I wouldn't wish a contract programming career on my worst enemy, so I am QUITE motivated to succeed with my writing. Here is my press release: Noted Link Whore to Pay For Traffic - Renounces Errant Ways as Launches Ad Blitz http://www.goingware.com/press/adblitz.html I attempted to publish my press release as a story at Kuro5hin. It is a "member moderated" site in which story submissions are voted on in a private members-only area before they are openly published. Even though many of my previous articles and essays have been voted to front page there, my press release was shot down with a vote of 23 to 3. The moderators had such comments as "i think you're a degenerate" and "Everything I've said about you and your blatant f***ing whoring was true and you've laid it out for all to see." Nevertheless, I am encouraged that of the three +1 votes, two of them voted to feature my press release on the front page, and one member said: Believe it or not I will actually vote this up, but only because of it's subtle cleverness and the fact that it is extremely well written. Undaunted, I posted my press release at the link above, and wrote the following weblog, promising to resubmit my press release. Note that it would be a major coup to have my PR featured on Kuro5hin's front page: it would be read by about ten thousand people, maybe more, in just a few days. My weblog: Brilliance or Madness? You Be the Judge. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/8/222239/8842 (There is a poll in the weblog, where you can vote on whether you think I am brilliant or mad. However, you need to be a logged-in K5 member to vote. Membership is free, and it's a great community to be part of.) In that weblog, I said the following: It's all just a question of saying just the right thing in one's marketing communications. Discovering the right thing to say is my objective for this month's Kuro5hin advertising campaign. You can see all the ads I have placed so far here: http://www.kuro5hin.org/user/MichaelCrawford/ads The ads in the "Inactive Ads" section are from other advertising I've done in the past. As I write this, all the ads I've placed in this campaign are still active. I am getting the best response on the smaller, shorter ads with the larger fonts. Kuro5hin calls them "Text Ads". They appear on the top-left corner of Kuro5hin's homepage at http://www.kuro5hin.org/ They cost $1.00 per thousand impressions, with a minimum order of $10.00. My top three performers result in a Cost per Click of 6.8, 9.1 and 12.9 cents. I think that's pretty good. Is it? The tall, narrow ads with lots of text and smaller fonts are called "Story Text Ads" and appear in the bodies of K5 stories. Even though they cost half as much, they have all gotten such a poor response that I have decided not to place any more. I may try again next month, when I have more money to spend, if I can come up with more compelling ad copy. They cost $0.50 per thousand, again with a minimum order of $10.00. I'm getting a Cost per Click ranging from 63.1 to 37.4 cents for the Story Text Ads. One can also place "Expanded Text Ads" that appear on the front page, that are sized in-between. They allow more text than the Text Ads, less than the Story Text Ads, and have a medium font size. I haven't tried them in this campaign but expect I will at some point. I HAVE tried them in the past, but decided it was worth the effort to come up with ad copy compact enough to fit in the Text Ads. The Expanded Text Ads also cost $1.00 per thousand. I've never been one to keep my marketing methods secret. I'm planning on writing a story for Kuro5hin detailing what I learn in this study. I posted my first impressions in my weblog here: Day Three: Ad Blitz Progress Report http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/9/172256/4319 There is a poll there, asking the question "If you have advertised online in the past, did you test first?" There are only a few votes so far, but you might be interested to look back again tomorrow. I suspect a widespread failure to test costly online ad campaigns before rolling them out contributed significantly to the dot-com crash. Now, what I really need to know is, which of my ads result in book sales? How much do I have to pay in advertising to earn a dollar back from Amazon or Powells? This is a much more difficult question. Most people who read my articles don't buy books, and I can tell from Amazon's report that most people who click my affiliate ads don't follow through with a purchase. I am not expecting to move many books this month, in part because I have only placed affiliate ads in a few of my articles. I will be satisfied if I can come up with at least one ad for each of my articles, in which the Cost per Click is inexpensive, at least comparable to my best performers so far. I expect I'm going to have to spend a lot on advertising, before I see a significant impact on traffic to my site. Thank you for any insight you can give me. Ever Faithful, Michael D. Crawford GoingWare Inc. - Expert Software Development and Consulting http://www.goingware.com/ crawford@goingware.com Tilting at Windmills for a Better Tomorrow. | |||
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| You need a good revamping. Brilliant and brave, but a Conflict of Strategies... going off in too many directions at once. In marketing, you want to break some rules... yet preserve the laws. I see you as tampering with some laws. This result won't inflame anyone.. it will just cause them to turn off. Not good. You have real potential... but should seek the assistance of a branding consultant. All the best, ~zion~ | |||
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| Hmmm... It's a no go as is. I first because involved in sales and marketing a few decades ago and have been involved, in some way or another, (sales, marketing, advertising, consulting, promotion, distribution, strategic planning, branding, market research, business development, management, small biz, large biz, publishing, you name it... way too much to list here) ever since. I first want to say... bravo on introducing what I feel is an interesting. even awesome topic into this forum. I became aware of the cluetrain manifesto a good while ago, and have checked out your site and many of your links, reading up on "Dr. Gonzo" and giving myself a few days to steep in what I see. The heart of the hippy is what drives your assumptions... BUT.. unfortunately, you do NOT come off as the authentic thing. Everything I offer you at the bottom of this crit underscores this strategic slip. With all due respect, a transvestite will never be a lady. Don't get me wrong, I agree with so very much of what is a part of your assumptions -- you are catching the front end of an inevitable wave of consumerism.. *sort of (I'll explain the sort of later). It took me a few days to know how to respond because I did not know WHY I was not buying into it (your approach) as a marketing scheme as a whole... especially because I agree with so much of the "manifesto". I have come to the conclusions that it will most likely fail as presented.. unless some sweeping changes are implemented. Long story short... here's why : A) Failure to cast a formidable, believable enemy. Notes: I'm not sure who your enemy is, and having clear one is a key to "Gonzo"... or what I coined as "controversial" marketing, back on the mid nineties when I was playing with it. You begin by demonizing the programmer industry, yet everything you are doing shows that you are VERY passionate about it... in fact, seems you LOVE the stuff! Not a very believable enemy if you are still part of it... consulting it through your books, etc... and like McDonald's, you're "lovin it"! Jay Conrad, the Duke of Guerilla Marketing says create an enemy.. where's yours!?! B) Failure to declare Yourself Either an ARTIST, a Businessman, or a Martyr... No sitting on the fence. Notes: If you are an artist... Expect to endure hard times... Period... for flying against the grain. Artists are Prophets - remember that. If you are a business man first.. you must deal with the laws of marketing. As to marketing, one can always occasionally break the law.. but not flagrantly and consistently, without consequence martyr.. don't change anything. so.. do you want to be Brilliant? or.. do you wanna get PAID??!? C) *Failure to respect timing. It has been said.. the ultimate is to be 5 MINUTES before your time. Fact is. you are too far ahead of your time!.. and that will likely cost you dearly if you don't tamp down your hype a little (or make one of the adjustments above. D) Tone down the irreverence a bit. Why? Because if what you are doing REALLY succeeds, it will come back to bite ya in the butt. Nuff said. Ignore this point ONLY if you have thought about what I said above and declared yourself an "arteest". E) Quit being so transparent. Notes: Remember when you were in high school, and all the dweebs didn't get the cool chicks? Guess why? TOO transparent! Some will debate me on this.. but generally people like a bit of mystery and intrigue! Quit running around saying "I'm doing over-the-top marketing"... like Nike says.. "just do it!" (or... not .. actually, in this case). anyway.. it makes you seem much more manipulative than you perhaps are. Case in point, tone it down. F) Improve your site design and the organization of your contents ... trying to look human does not mean looking as though you are using inferior site planning and design. Stuff was hard to grasp and to find in your content. Really hard. If content is King and organization of it is Queen. G) Brand yourself. It should not have taken me 15 minutes snooping around your site to see what's with you and your hype. That's weak branding my friend. Use a personal slogan and photo to image yourself a bit better. In summary, If you Brand yourself better (label yourself), Improve your sites designs, quit showing us your innards, remove any ***ual, racial or other offensive references from your work (don't bellyache about wanting to be the real you, I've already stated don't change a thing if you want to be an artist), Get better timing going with your approach, choose between being a seer or a businessman, and go back and create a better enemy, this MAY work! Even so... I personally would put no more than 33.3% of marketing resources into this approach.. as it is still in it's infancy and LARGELY unproven and charted - not wise to put your all into for those reasons. As to good marketing there is NO shortcuts. (though IT guys seem to have sought them the world over.. lol). Still, here's to one of the most interesting posts to darken the doors of this forum in recent times. It certainly goes into my archives. All the best, ~zion~ ps. I have to say I secretly admire your brilliance and brawn. But friend, unless you can somehow reign yourself in and heed to above marketing savvy, it won't work IMHO. It will just provide you an exciting, long, interesting, curvy ride to the bottom. I would recommend that you partner with a knowledgable and innovative marketing consultant immediately or... don't quit your day job. | |||
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