New Logo Design-HELP!!!

Hi!

We would like to commission a logo designer to make our new logo for a start
up company.

We can pay $100 and are hoping someone can make this happen. Your signature
will also be listed in our literature which may lead to other business.

Please submit your rough draft to us and if we feel we are on the right
track we will further the relationship to secure the final design.

We like: Steel, Old money, respectful, serious, eye catching, simple for
reproductions, looks good in color as well as black and white.

We don't like cartoons or fancy pictures.

It must contain the entire name:


"NeckandBackInstitute.com"

or

"BackandNeckInstitute.com"

Maybe something with the initials: "NBI" or "BNI"

Send samples to: back@toddhanson.com

Thanks

Ok, this is getting ridiculous.

Maybe it's time to fill in some of the "potential clients" as to what is
exactly involved in creating a logo.

It can take anywhere from a couple hours (2,3 hrs) to many hours (40+), to
come up with a design for a logo. Having logo designed professionally
involves a wide variety of considerations:

- what is the logo for (industry, etc.)?
- what type of media applications is it needed for (stationary, internet,
packaging, etc.)?
- where is the logo used (cultural considerations, demographic/target
audience)?
- is one logo right for all applications? will it need to be modified
somewhat for different uses?
- etc.

If the logo consists of all original art, it is subject to copyright, and in
that case, is also subject to due royalties and revenues where the logo is
used as marketing on products, etc. OR anywhere that the company is
receiving profit through the use of the logo.

It's beginning to tick me off a little bit at what little regard some
companies' have towards the work involved in creating/designing, a
professional logo/graphic-identity/brand etc.

Then again, you get what you pay for.

Ryan

"T Hanson" <THANSON2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:buVSa.93391$hV.6666747@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> Hi!
>
> We would like to commission a logo designer to make our new logo for a
start
> up company.
>
> We can pay $100 and are hoping someone can make this happen. Your
signature
> will also be listed in our literature which may lead to other business.
>
> Please submit your rough draft to us and if we feel we are on the right
> track we will further the relationship to secure the final design.
>
> We like: Steel, Old money, respectful, serious, eye catching, simple for
> reproductions, looks good in color as well as black and white.
>
> We don't like cartoons or fancy pictures.
>
> It must contain the entire name:
>
>
> "NeckandBackInstitute.com"
>
> or
>
> "BackandNeckInstitute.com"
>
> Maybe something with the initials: "NBI" or "BNI"
>
> Send samples to: back@toddhanson.com
>
> Thanks
>
>

"T Hanson" <THANSON2@houston.rr.com> wrote in
news:buVSa.93391$hV.6666747@twister.austin.rr.com:

> Hi!
>
> We would like to commission a logo designer to make our new logo for a
> start up company.
>
> We can pay $100 and are hoping someone can make this happen.

Hope all you like, then throw away the "Be An Entrepreneur in Ten Minutes
or Less" book. You paid far too much for the very bad advice of trying to
get professional results from desperate beginners.

FYI, I charge a minimum of ten times that - as a favor, if I've got a lull
in business, and if no "corrections" get made.

What someone like the Chris Hill Agency (we're all in Houston, BTW) would
charge you don't want to know.

<snip>

Personally, I feel these guys are overreacting and in some cases think they
are being quite poncey about the whole thing.

BFM, please, get down from the high horse u are sitting on. The guy is
offereing $100. Thats all. For that, it means they have hardly any budget
but would quite a like a half decent logo. In most cases, I find that
designers can knock up a half decent logo in 10 minutes. As long as they
aren't thinking too much about every minor detail about it (that u mentioned
in your post). With a budget like that, the chances are, everything u
mentioned is irrelevant.

All he wants is a logo. I worked for a company that was producing a brochure
for a client. An external company they used as a partner supplied their logo
to be put on the brochure. It was awful and actually turned out the managing
director had knocked it up in Paint. Believe me it was awful. We even
offered to make something up free of charge cos no matter what we did, it
was going to be a big improvement. He declined. But the fact was, we could
have done better in five minutes.

If you don't want to help the guy out, fine. but don't be so arsey about it.

T Hanson, I'm not going to put any effort into it, but if an idea pops in my
head I'll artwork it up and let u see it.

Regards
Adam

"T Hanson" <THANSON2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:buVSa.93391$hV.6666747@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> Hi!
>
> We would like to commission a logo designer to make our new logo for a
start
> up company.
>
> We can pay $100 and are hoping someone can make this happen. Your
signature
> will also be listed in our literature which may lead to other business.
>
> Please submit your rough draft to us and if we feel we are on the right
> track we will further the relationship to secure the final design.
>
> We like: Steel, Old money, respectful, serious, eye catching, simple for
> reproductions, looks good in color as well as black and white.
>
> We don't like cartoons or fancy pictures.
>
> It must contain the entire name:
>
>
> "NeckandBackInstitute.com"
>
> or
>
> "BackandNeckInstitute.com"
>
> Maybe something with the initials: "NBI" or "BNI"
>
> Send samples to: back@toddhanson.com
>
> Thanks
>
>

Adam:

I'd like to know the designers that knock up a "half-decent" logo in 10
mins. I can sketch stuff out on paper in probably that time, but that's
about it, and it's no where near done. Is he going to pay me $100 for a
sketch on paper?

I'm also trying to figure out in my head how many $100 logo's would cover a
university degree, and 5+ years experience.

Let's equate this to working in an architectural office. Some guy walks in,
says he's got $100, and he just wants a basic floor plan, that's it. No
fixture placement, no dimensions, no notes on material, nothing. Well, my
first guess is he would be laughed out of the office, but if someone did
take the job, they would sketch it out on a used napkin, and demand the
entire $100. Not once, in my 5+ years now of working in the architectural
industry, has someone pulled something like that. Why? Because they would
be laughed out of the office. There is a fixed (base) fee, and the guy
wanting the sketch would get what he paid for. He would end up paying $100
in clerical fees before the Architect even touched the napkin with a pencil.

If I take this argument further, what you're saying (basically) is, the
skills of a graphic-artist are less viable and useful then those of an
architect? In certain instances you're right (knowledge of codes, design
parameters, etc.), and then again, I look at companies like Nike, Cingular
Wireless, etc. and the viability argument fails.

Just curious, Adam, are you still living at home? How many $100 logo's do
you think it would take to pay rent, business costs, etc.? When you
attended college, did they let you know that $100 knock-offs for logo's was
a good deal? Did you attend college? I'm sure the guys who have created
material for Nike, for instance, would have done their work for $5.00/hr. I
mean, hey, it's only graphic-design.

And what does "poncey" mean? Is that British slang?

"Adam Berry" <sbsc20991@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vGZSa.20298$Df6.4989@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Personally, I feel these guys are overreacting and in some cases think
they
> are being quite poncey about the whole thing.
>
> BFM, please, get down from the high horse u are sitting on. The guy is
> offereing $100. Thats all. For that, it means they have hardly any budget
> but would quite a like a half decent logo. In most cases, I find that
> designers can knock up a half decent logo in 10 minutes. As long as they
> aren't thinking too much about every minor detail about it (that u
mentioned
> in your post). With a budget like that, the chances are, everything u
> mentioned is irrelevant.
>
> All he wants is a logo. I worked for a company that was producing a
brochure
> for a client. An external company they used as a partner supplied their
logo
> to be put on the brochure. It was awful and actually turned out the
managing
> director had knocked it up in Paint. Believe me it was awful. We even
> offered to make something up free of charge cos no matter what we did, it
> was going to be a big improvement. He declined. But the fact was, we could
> have done better in five minutes.
>
> If you don't want to help the guy out, fine. but don't be so arsey about
it.
>
> T Hanson, I'm not going to put any effort into it, but if an idea pops in
my
> head I'll artwork it up and let u see it.
>
> Regards
> Adam
>
> "T Hanson" <THANSON2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:buVSa.93391$hV.6666747@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> > Hi!
> >
> > We would like to commission a logo designer to make our new logo for a
> start
> > up company.
> >
> > We can pay $100 and are hoping someone can make this happen. Your
> signature
> > will also be listed in our literature which may lead to other business.
> >
> > Please submit your rough draft to us and if we feel we are on the right
> > track we will further the relationship to secure the final design.
> >
> > We like: Steel, Old money, respectful, serious, eye catching, simple
for
> > reproductions, looks good in color as well as black and white.
> >
> > We don't like cartoons or fancy pictures.
> >
> > It must contain the entire name:
> >
> >
> > "NeckandBackInstitute.com"
> >
> > or
> >
> > "BackandNeckInstitute.com"
> >
> > Maybe something with the initials: "NBI" or "BNI"
> >
> > Send samples to: back@toddhanson.com
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

Eric Gill wrote

> FYI, I charge a minimum of ten times that - as a favor, if I've got a lull
> in business, and if no "corrections" get made.
>
> What someone like the Chris Hill Agency (we're all in Houston, BTW) would
> charge you don't want to know.
------------------------
That's why the bums beg for freebies here.

BA

Adam Berry wrote

> BFM, please, get down from the high horse u are sitting on. The guy is
> offereing $100. Thats all. For that, it means they have hardly any budget
> but would quite a like a half decent logo. In most cases, I find that
> designers can knock up a half decent logo in 10 minutes.
-------------------------
In those most cases, do they all actually get the $100? I can't help
suspecting that enough of them don't, to raise a question.

BA

"BFM" <brainfuelmediaNOSPAMMINGME@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xe_Sa.509485$Vi5.13129325@news1.calgary.shaw. ca...
> Adam:
>
> I'd like to know the designers that knock up a "half-decent" logo in 10
> mins. I can sketch stuff out on paper in probably that time, but that's
> about it, and it's no where near done. Is he going to pay me $100 for a
> sketch on paper?
>
> I'm also trying to figure out in my head how many $100 logo's would cover
a
> university degree, and 5+ years experience.
>
> Let's equate this to working in an architectural office. Some guy walks
in,
> says he's got $100, and he just wants a basic floor plan, that's it. No
> fixture placement, no dimensions, no notes on material, nothing. Well, my
> first guess is he would be laughed out of the office, but if someone did
> take the job, they would sketch it out on a used napkin, and demand the
> entire $100. Not once, in my 5+ years now of working in the architectural
> industry, has someone pulled something like that. Why? Because they
would
> be laughed out of the office. There is a fixed (base) fee, and the guy
> wanting the sketch would get what he paid for. He would end up paying
$100
> in clerical fees before the Architect even touched the napkin with a
pencil.
>
> If I take this argument further, what you're saying (basically) is, the
> skills of a graphic-artist are less viable and useful then those of an
> architect? In certain instances you're right (knowledge of codes, design
> parameters, etc.), and then again, I look at companies like Nike, Cingular
> Wireless, etc. and the viability argument fails.
>
> Just curious, Adam, are you still living at home? How many $100 logo's do
> you think it would take to pay rent, business costs, etc.? When you
> attended college, did they let you know that $100 knock-offs for logo's
was
> a good deal? Did you attend college? I'm sure the guys who have created
> material for Nike, for instance, would have done their work for $5.00/hr.
I
> mean, hey, it's only graphic-design.
>
> And what does "poncey" mean? Is that British slang?
>

I agree with you in general but Nike was a bad example.
Here is why:
"THE SWOOSH

The SWOOSH logo is a graphic design created by Caroline Davidson in 1971. It
represents the wing of the Greek goddess NIKE.

Caroline Davidson was a student at Portland State University interested in
advertising. She met Phil Knight while he was teaching accounting classes
and she started doing some freelance work for his company.

Phil Knight asked Caroline to design a logo that could be placed on the side
of a shoe. She handed him the SWOOSH, he handed her $35.

In spring of 1972, the first shoe with the NIKE SWOOSH was introduced . the
rest is history"



Stephan

actually it only took about 15 minutes.
"Adam Berry" <sbsc20991@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:vGZSa.20298$Df6.4989@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Personally, I feel these guys are overreacting and in some cases think
they
> are being quite poncey about the whole thing.
>
> BFM, please, get down from the high horse u are sitting on. The guy is
> offereing $100. Thats all. For that, it means they have hardly any budget
> but would quite a like a half decent logo. In most cases, I find that
> designers can knock up a half decent logo in 10 minutes. As long as they
> aren't thinking too much about every minor detail about it (that u
mentioned
> in your post). With a budget like that, the chances are, everything u
> mentioned is irrelevant.
>
> All he wants is a logo. I worked for a company that was producing a
brochure
> for a client. An external company they used as a partner supplied their
logo
> to be put on the brochure. It was awful and actually turned out the
managing
> director had knocked it up in Paint. Believe me it was awful. We even
> offered to make something up free of charge cos no matter what we did, it
> was going to be a big improvement. He declined. But the fact was, we could
> have done better in five minutes.
>
> If you don't want to help the guy out, fine. but don't be so arsey about
it.
>
> T Hanson, I'm not going to put any effort into it, but if an idea pops in
my
> head I'll artwork it up and let u see it.
>
> Regards
> Adam
>
> "T Hanson" <THANSON2@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:buVSa.93391$hV.6666747@twister.austin.rr.com. ..
> > Hi!
> >
> > We would like to commission a logo designer to make our new logo for a
> start
> > up company.
> >
> > We can pay $100 and are hoping someone can make this happen. Your
> signature
> > will also be listed in our literature which may lead to other business.
> >
> > Please submit your rough draft to us and if we feel we are on the right
> > track we will further the relationship to secure the final design.
> >
> > We like: Steel, Old money, respectful, serious, eye catching, simple
for
> > reproductions, looks good in color as well as black and white.
> >
> > We don't like cartoons or fancy pictures.
> >
> > It must contain the entire name:
> >
> >
> > "NeckandBackInstitute.com"
> >
> > or
> >
> > "BackandNeckInstitute.com"
> >
> > Maybe something with the initials: "NBI" or "BNI"
> >
> > Send samples to: back@toddhanson.com
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

sorry guys its just that im not working and could use some new ink
cartridges so the $100.00 would come in handy.
"BA" <invalid@com.edu> wrote in message news:3f1c788d_1@news.iglou.com...
> Adam Berry wrote
>
> > BFM, please, get down from the high horse u are sitting on. The guy is
> > offereing $100. Thats all. For that, it means they have hardly any
budget
> > but would quite a like a half decent logo. In most cases, I find that
> > designers can knock up a half decent logo in 10 minutes.
> -------------------------
> In those most cases, do they all actually get the $100? I can't help
> suspecting that enough of them don't, to raise a question.
>
> BA
>
>