CorelDraw line type question

I'm using CorelDraw 11 to draw a typical road map along a coastline. It
will show -- amongst other things -- major metropolitan areas as shapes
filled with a light color. These shapes are drawn with the pen tool, i.e.
straight line segments Simple yes?

Here's the problem. Along th coast the edge of these metropolitan area
shapes need to align with the coastline. If the coastline is a curvy
freehand line then I can't figure out how to make them align exactly. The
metro area shape needs to close in order to fill. What should I do? How
can I get two lines from two different type of objects to perfectly align?

Thanks for your help.

OK heres the answer.
Draw your shape accurately on all sides except where the coast curve is.
You can extend the shape over the edge of the in any manner you wish BUT
the shape must be a closed curve. (One other way to do this is to use a
rectangle
or an elipse, then convert it to curves and then use the node tool
manipulate the
shape to the one desired.) Next, select the coast curve and then use the
TRIM tool
(found in the shaping docker) to TRIM the closed shape you just created.
Then
use Break Curve Apart (found under Arrange) to break the curve into two
objects.
Discard the object that extends on the wrong side of the coast curve and
apply
your desired attriburtes to the remaining shape (fill, outline etc.) Perfect
Fit!!!
Hope this helps
.................Steve W

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"Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
news:26mRa.16099$o54.12797@lakeread05...
> I'm using CorelDraw 11 to draw a typical road map along a coastline. It
> will show -- amongst other things -- major metropolitan areas as shapes
> filled with a light color. These shapes are drawn with the pen tool, i.e.
> straight line segments Simple yes?
>
> Here's the problem. Along th coast the edge of these metropolitan area
> shapes need to align with the coastline. If the coastline is a curvy
> freehand line then I can't figure out how to make them align exactly. The
> metro area shape needs to close in order to fill. What should I do? How
> can I get two lines from two different type of objects to perfectly align?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>

"Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
news:26mRa.16099$o54.12797@lakeread05...
> I'm using CorelDraw 11 to draw a typical road map along a coastline. It
> will show -- amongst other things -- major metropolitan areas as shapes
> filled with a light color. These shapes are drawn with the pen tool, i.e.
> straight line segments Simple yes?

Not necessarily. Why not use the bezier tool and all you have to do it
click/click/click to create "line segments" and then click again on your
first node to close the object? You can then go in and change the type of
nodes in the object and/or move them around to change your shape?

Oftentimes what I've seen is that some cartographers can't get out of
thinking of everything as "lines" and start thinking of them as "objects"
(which must be closed)
>
> Here's the problem. Along th coast the edge of these metropolitan area
> shapes need to align with the coastline. If the coastline is a curvy
> freehand line then I can't figure out how to make them align exactly.

Use the bezier tool to create your rough object, go to various nodes to make
them "curve nodes" and then you can manipulate said nodes (move them to
where ever) and lines (adjust the curviness) with the node editing tool.

The
> metro area shape needs to close in order to fill. What should I do?

You should close your object

How
> can I get two lines from two different type of objects to perfectly align?

That depends on what you mean by "align" - do you mean butting up against?
do you mean laying on top of one another, etc?

Agreed,
Using a rectangle/elipse was only a suggestion. The point of my response
was using the Shaping tools, in particular, the trim tool to create the
aligned objects that Michael seemed to want to achieve in his project.
..........Steve W

One thing you may be able to help me with. I create a number of lined
objects,
open and no fill. In this case, say I am creating a gear shape with 60
teeth. I create
one tooth using a circle template, shift the centre of the tooth shape to
the centre of
the circle. Then using transform rotation, set the angle at 6 degrees and
press 'apply to
duplicate' another 59 times. Voila! 60 tooth gear. Now the dilema. I want to
close all nodes
to make a closed shape to take a fill. Firstly I combine all the 60 objects
into one object.
Next I have to select 60 pairs of nodes one at a time and select 'Join" to
join them. Note
that 'Auto Close' does not work but, is there any other way to join them
without
individual selection of pairs of nodes. (Time is an important factor in this
business)
.................Steve W

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> Not necessarily. Why not use the bezier tool and all you have to do it
> click/click/click to create "line segments" and then click again on your
> first node to close the object? You can then go in and change the type of
> nodes in the object and/or move them around to change your shape?
>
> Oftentimes what I've seen is that some cartographers can't get out of
> thinking of everything as "lines" and start thinking of them as "objects"
> (which must be closed)
> Use the bezier tool to create your rough object, go to various nodes to
make
> them "curve nodes" and then you can manipulate said nodes (move them to
> where ever) and lines (adjust the curviness) with the node editing tool.
> That depends on what you mean by "align" - do you mean butting up against?
> do you mean laying on top of one another, etc?
>
>

"Adhesive Labels" <labels@adelaide.on.net> wrote in message
news:3f17a1a8@duster.adelaide.on.net...
> Agreed,
> Using a rectangle/elipse was only a suggestion. The point of my response
> was using the Shaping tools, in particular, the trim tool to create the
> aligned objects that Michael seemed to want to achieve in his project.
> .........Steve W
>
> One thing you may be able to help me with. I create a number of lined
> objects,
> open and no fill. In this case, say I am creating a gear shape with 60
> teeth. I create
> one tooth using a circle template, shift the centre of the tooth shape to
> the centre of
> the circle. Then using transform rotation, set the angle at 6 degrees and
> press 'apply to
> duplicate' another 59 times. Voila! 60 tooth gear. Now the dilema. I want
to
> close all nodes
> to make a closed shape to take a fill. Firstly I combine all the 60
objects
> into one object.
> Next I have to select 60 pairs of nodes one at a time and select 'Join" to
> join them. Note
> that 'Auto Close' does not work but, is there any other way to join them
> without
> individual selection of pairs of nodes. (Time is an important factor in
this
> business)
> ................Steve W
>
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> ---------------
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If I understand this right you guys are saying to manually align (put over
top of one another) the two entities, using the shaping tool.

There is no way to fill a shape that's defined by two different objects,
perhaps overlapping or intersecting. Filled shapes must be one closed
object right?

"Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
news:lIWRa.17432$o54.11303@lakeread05...
> There is no way to fill a shape that's defined by two different objects,
> perhaps overlapping or intersecting. Filled shapes must be one closed
> object right?

Bruce, you've kind of answered your own question - by default, a "shape"
must be a closed object... otherwise it's a "line".

To get an idea of what Steve was saying, try this in a new file... using the
various tools for these shapes, create a circle and a square... give them
some color - doesn't matter what, but make it two different colors.

Make the objects overlap each other - let's say the square is on bottom, the
circle on top. First select the circle, the while holding the shift button
down, select the square. You should see icons on the property bar for
trimming, welding, intersecting, etc now... select Trim - it still looks
like the circle on top of the square, right? pull the circle away and you'll
see that whatever overlapped the square has been removed. Undo that and try
it again, this time select the square first. Now it'll look like the square
is on top but pull the square away from the circle and you'll see the
overlapped area removed.

Marquee select both items and select intersect... move the square and circle
away from each other and you'll have a new object shaped like the
intersected region.

Do you see now what Steve was talking about in having one shape define the
shape of another?

"Hunter Elliott" <nospam@gatewaycity.com> wrote in message
news:6dXRa.971$j44.446402708@newssvr12.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lIWRa.17432$o54.11303@lakeread05...
> > There is no way to fill a shape that's defined by two different objects,
> > perhaps overlapping or intersecting. Filled shapes must be one closed
> > object right?
>
> Bruce, you've kind of answered your own question - by default, a
"shape"
> must be a closed object... otherwise it's a "line".
>
> To get an idea of what Steve was saying, try this in a new file... using
the
> various tools for these shapes, create a circle and a square... give them
> some color - doesn't matter what, but make it two different colors.
>
> Make the objects overlap each other - let's say the square is on bottom,
the
> circle on top. First select the circle, the while holding the shift button
> down, select the square. You should see icons on the property bar for
> trimming, welding, intersecting, etc now... select Trim - it still looks
> like the circle on top of the square, right? pull the circle away and
you'll
> see that whatever overlapped the square has been removed. Undo that and
try
> it again, this time select the square first. Now it'll look like the
square
> is on top but pull the square away from the circle and you'll see the
> overlapped area removed.
>
> Marquee select both items and select intersect... move the square and
circle
> away from each other and you'll have a new object shaped like the
> intersected region.
>
> Do you see now what Steve was talking about in having one shape define the
> shape of another?
>
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Ah! Now I see, thanks to you. Use one object to cut or define the shape of
the other. Very clever.

"Hunter Elliott" <nospam@gatewaycity.com> wrote in message
news:6dXRa.971$j44.446402708@newssvr12.news.prodig y.com...
>
> "Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lIWRa.17432$o54.11303@lakeread05...
> > There is no way to fill a shape that's defined by two different objects,
> > perhaps overlapping or intersecting. Filled shapes must be one closed
> > object right?
>
> Bruce, you've kind of answered your own question - by default, a
"shape"
> must be a closed object... otherwise it's a "line".
>
> To get an idea of what Steve was saying, try this in a new file... using
the
> various tools for these shapes, create a circle and a square... give them
> some color - doesn't matter what, but make it two different colors.
>
> Make the objects overlap each other - let's say the square is on bottom,
the
> circle on top. First select the circle, the while holding the shift button
> down, select the square. You should see icons on the property bar for
> trimming, welding, intersecting, etc now... select Trim - it still looks
> like the circle on top of the square, right? pull the circle away and
you'll
> see that whatever overlapped the square has been removed. Undo that and
try
> it again, this time select the square first. Now it'll look like the
square
> is on top but pull the square away from the circle and you'll see the
> overlapped area removed.
>
> Marquee select both items and select intersect... move the square and
circle
> away from each other and you'll have a new object shaped like the
> intersected region.
>
> Do you see now what Steve was talking about in having one shape define the
> shape of another?
>
===============================================

Ah! Now I see, thanks to you. Use one object to cut or define the shape of
the other. Very clever.

Ahh! good you got it. You can also use the trim tool to trim a line
to a closed object. Draw a rectangle. Draw a feehand line (squiggly line)
through
the rectangle. Trim the squiggly line to rectangle. Break-apart the
rectangle (Arrange- Break Curve Apart).
You can also trim lines to lines (unclosed objects to unclosed objects),
though I can't see much
point to it.
I use the trim tool a lot in my job. Take, for example the American Flag.
You can use the trim tool
to trim all the stars to the solid background. Then select all the stars and
delete them. The star
shapes are still present but are locked into one object. Using drawing
programs in the graphic
arts industry, means making drawings as simple as possible with the least
amount of objects
and node points. There is then less liklihood of images crashing the
Postscript RIP, and makes
the drawings much more portable (ie) being able to easily cross-platform and
move into other
programs without loss or other undesirable results. Got it!
.............Steve W.

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"Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Hunter Elliott" <nospam@gatewaycity.com> wrote in message
> news:6dXRa.971$j44.446402708@newssvr12.news.prodig y.com...
> >
> > "Bruce W.1" <bw@noDirectEmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:lIWRa.17432$o54.11303@lakeread05...
> > > There is no way to fill a shape that's defined by two different
objects,
> > > perhaps overlapping or intersecting. Filled shapes must be one closed
> > > object right?
> >
> > Bruce, you've kind of answered your own question - by default, a
> "shape"
> > must be a closed object... otherwise it's a "line".
> >
> > To get an idea of what Steve was saying, try this in a new file... using
> the
> > various tools for these shapes, create a circle and a square... give
them
> > some color - doesn't matter what, but make it two different colors.
> >
> > Make the objects overlap each other - let's say the square is on bottom,
> the
> > circle on top. First select the circle, the while holding the shift
button
> > down, select the square. You should see icons on the property bar for
> > trimming, welding, intersecting, etc now... select Trim - it still looks
> > like the circle on top of the square, right? pull the circle away and
> you'll
> > see that whatever overlapped the square has been removed. Undo that and
> try
> > it again, this time select the square first. Now it'll look like the
> square
> > is on top but pull the square away from the circle and you'll see the
> > overlapped area removed.
> >
> > Marquee select both items and select intersect... move the square and
> circle
> > away from each other and you'll have a new object shaped like the
> > intersected region.
> >
> > Do you see now what Steve was talking about in having one shape define
the
> > shape of another?
> >
> ===============================================
>
> Ah! Now I see, thanks to you. Use one object to cut or define the shape
of
> the other. Very clever.
>
>

Adhesive Labels wrote:

> Check out the PDF file (167kb file attached)
>
>
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> so it may fail me)

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