No toolbar in PhotoShop?

In news:vkde89b8amuac@corp.supernews.com, medez_p deftly typed:
> Just downloaded the trial version of PS7. Have never tried before.
> What I can't seem to find is there is no standard toolbar on the top
> that has undo/redo, open file, save file, new document, etc type of
> icons - the usual sets of icons that most graphics or other packages
> have. Sure I can Ctrl-Z etc but I personally find it annoying though
> I am sure others love it.
>
> Is there any way to get these toolbars or it's just not available in
> PhotoShop? A program this expensive and no standard tool bar is hard
> for me to believe. I am sure I am missing something.
>
> Any hint is appreciated
>
> Paul

Most Adobe professional products have this weird kind of interface (no
regular toolbars but these floating, undockable "tools palettes"); it
takes quite a long while to get used to, but in the case of Photoshop at
least, it's worth it. Beside, you'll soon learn that hiding theses
palettes and working with keyboard shortcut is much more efficient.


--
Martin.
"The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
T.H.Huxley

"MCL" <kodiac_city@nospamyahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:6gz1b.4128$PJ2.351146@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> In news:vkde89b8amuac@corp.supernews.com, medez_p deftly typed:
> > Just downloaded the trial version of PS7. Have never tried before.
> > What I can't seem to find is there is no standard toolbar on the top
> > that has undo/redo, open file, save file, new document, etc type of
> > icons - the usual sets of icons that most graphics or other packages
> > have. Sure I can Ctrl-Z etc but I personally find it annoying though
> > I am sure others love it.
> >
> > Is there any way to get these toolbars or it's just not available in
> > PhotoShop? A program this expensive and no standard tool bar is hard
> > for me to believe. I am sure I am missing something.
> >
> > Any hint is appreciated
> >
> > Paul
>
> Most Adobe professional products have this weird kind of interface (no
> regular toolbars but these floating, undockable "tools palettes"); it
> takes quite a long while to get used to, but in the case of Photoshop at
> least, it's worth it. Beside, you'll soon learn that hiding theses
> palettes and working with keyboard shortcut is much more efficient.
>
>
> --
> Martin.
> "The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
> T.H.Huxley
>
>
Thanks Martin, I agree. Anyway, despite all the hype about this program I
think I'll stick with Fireworks and Paintshop Pro. With these two, along
with a host of other much-less-expensive graphic packages, I think I can do
without PS. Nothing against the die-hard users of PS, just my personal view
and not meant to offend anyone in this group.

Paul

not to mention your not missing much because the last free photoshop
download i saw didnt let you save anything you created anyways. the save was
disabled.
"medez_p" <pmendez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "MCL" <kodiac_city@nospamyahoo.ca> wrote in message
> news:6gz1b.4128$PJ2.351146@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > In news:vkde89b8amuac@corp.supernews.com, medez_p deftly typed:
> > > Just downloaded the trial version of PS7. Have never tried before.
> > > What I can't seem to find is there is no standard toolbar on the top
> > > that has undo/redo, open file, save file, new document, etc type of
> > > icons - the usual sets of icons that most graphics or other packages
> > > have. Sure I can Ctrl-Z etc but I personally find it annoying though
> > > I am sure others love it.
> > >
> > > Is there any way to get these toolbars or it's just not available in
> > > PhotoShop? A program this expensive and no standard tool bar is hard
> > > for me to believe. I am sure I am missing something.
> > >
> > > Any hint is appreciated
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > Most Adobe professional products have this weird kind of interface (no
> > regular toolbars but these floating, undockable "tools palettes"); it
> > takes quite a long while to get used to, but in the case of Photoshop at
> > least, it's worth it. Beside, you'll soon learn that hiding theses
> > palettes and working with keyboard shortcut is much more efficient.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Martin.
> > "The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
> > T.H.Huxley
> >
> >
> Thanks Martin, I agree. Anyway, despite all the hype about this program I
> think I'll stick with Fireworks and Paintshop Pro. With these two, along
> with a host of other much-less-expensive graphic packages, I think I can
do
> without PS. Nothing against the die-hard users of PS, just my personal
view
> and not meant to offend anyone in this group.
>
> Paul
>
>

Is it the File/Edit/View menu you're looking for? It should be there. It
might have loaded in full screen mode (i.e. minus the toolbars) - try
hitting F once or twice to cycle through the three alternates.

Personally i use 'Easy Interface for PS' combined with Full Screen Mode -
this even hides the palettes when I'm not using them

David
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"medez_p" <pmendez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:vkdpqu3cfci5f4@corp.supernews.com...
> Not true. I just tested it and it works fine - save, save as, and save for
> web - all three work as expected. I downloaded the program about a week
ago
> and unless they changed it since then, it works for me.
>
> Paul
>
> "ben-dover" <http://www.gilligan@theisle> wrote in message
> news:xcB1b.110351$0v4.7803263@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > not to mention your not missing much because the last free photoshop
> > download i saw didnt let you save anything you created anyways. the save
> was
> > disabled.
> > "medez_p" <pmendez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:vkdihdsn8c525b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > "MCL" <kodiac_city@nospamyahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > news:6gz1b.4128$PJ2.351146@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > In news:vkde89b8amuac@corp.supernews.com, medez_p deftly typed:
> > > > > Just downloaded the trial version of PS7. Have never tried before.
> > > > > What I can't seem to find is there is no standard toolbar on the
top
> > > > > that has undo/redo, open file, save file, new document, etc type
of
> > > > > icons - the usual sets of icons that most graphics or other
packages
> > > > > have. Sure I can Ctrl-Z etc but I personally find it annoying
though
> > > > > I am sure others love it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there any way to get these toolbars or it's just not available
in
> > > > > PhotoShop? A program this expensive and no standard tool bar is
hard
> > > > > for me to believe. I am sure I am missing something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any hint is appreciated
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Most Adobe professional products have this weird kind of interface
(no
> > > > regular toolbars but these floating, undockable "tools palettes");
it
> > > > takes quite a long while to get used to, but in the case of
Photoshop
> at
> > > > least, it's worth it. Beside, you'll soon learn that hiding theses
> > > > palettes and working with keyboard shortcut is much more efficient.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Martin.
> > > > "The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
> > > > T.H.Huxley
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Thanks Martin, I agree. Anyway, despite all the hype about this
program
> I
> > > think I'll stick with Fireworks and Paintshop Pro. With these two,
along
> > > with a host of other much-less-expensive graphic packages, I think I
can
> > do
> > > without PS. Nothing against the die-hard users of PS, just my personal
> > view
> > > and not meant to offend anyone in this group.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
>
>

Thanks David, but no that's not what I was looking for. Those are the menu
items that are visible on my computer as well. I am talking about the
toolbars (with a set of icons for a new image, save file, multiple undo/redo
etc.). Adobe apparently assumed they were not needed and people will
eventually get used to it without them anyway. And it looks like people did!

Paul

"David" <design@digital-conceptions.com> wrote in message
news:bi6pid$1eh$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> Is it the File/Edit/View menu you're looking for? It should be there. It
> might have loaded in full screen mode (i.e. minus the toolbars) - try
> hitting F once or twice to cycle through the three alternates.
>
> Personally i use 'Easy Interface for PS' combined with Full Screen Mode -
> this even hides the palettes when I'm not using them
>
> David
> --
> ----------------------------------
> http://www.digital-conceptions.com
>
> "medez_p" <pmendez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:vkdpqu3cfci5f4@corp.supernews.com...
> > Not true. I just tested it and it works fine - save, save as, and save
for
> > web - all three work as expected. I downloaded the program about a week
> ago
> > and unless they changed it since then, it works for me.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > "ben-dover" <http://www.gilligan@theisle> wrote in message
> > news:xcB1b.110351$0v4.7803263@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > not to mention your not missing much because the last free photoshop
> > > download i saw didnt let you save anything you created anyways. the
save
> > was
> > > disabled.
> > > "medez_p" <pmendez@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:vkdihdsn8c525b@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > "MCL" <kodiac_city@nospamyahoo.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news:6gz1b.4128$PJ2.351146@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > > > In news:vkde89b8amuac@corp.supernews.com, medez_p deftly typed:
> > > > > > Just downloaded the trial version of PS7. Have never tried
before.
> > > > > > What I can't seem to find is there is no standard toolbar on the
> top
> > > > > > that has undo/redo, open file, save file, new document, etc type
> of
> > > > > > icons - the usual sets of icons that most graphics or other
> packages
> > > > > > have. Sure I can Ctrl-Z etc but I personally find it annoying
> though
> > > > > > I am sure others love it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there any way to get these toolbars or it's just not
available
> in
> > > > > > PhotoShop? A program this expensive and no standard tool bar is
> hard
> > > > > > for me to believe. I am sure I am missing something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any hint is appreciated
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > Most Adobe professional products have this weird kind of interface
> (no
> > > > > regular toolbars but these floating, undockable "tools palettes");
> it
> > > > > takes quite a long while to get used to, but in the case of
> Photoshop
> > at
> > > > > least, it's worth it. Beside, you'll soon learn that hiding theses
> > > > > palettes and working with keyboard shortcut is much more
efficient.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Martin.
> > > > > "The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
> > > > > T.H.Huxley
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Thanks Martin, I agree. Anyway, despite all the hype about this
> program
> > I
> > > > think I'll stick with Fireworks and Paintshop Pro. With these two,
> along
> > > > with a host of other much-less-expensive graphic packages, I think I
> can
> > > do
> > > > without PS. Nothing against the die-hard users of PS, just my
personal
> > > view
> > > > and not meant to offend anyone in this group.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>

medez_p wrote:
> Thanks David, but no that's not what I was looking for. Those are the menu
> items that are visible on my computer as well. I am talking about the
> toolbars (with a set of icons for a new image, save file, multiple undo/redo
> etc.). Adobe apparently assumed they were not needed and people will
> eventually get used to it without them anyway. And it looks like people did!
>

>
Never had them and in my opinion doesn't need them. When I encounter
that in apps I always turn it off.

--
Comic book sketches and artwork:
http://www.sover.net/~hannigan/edjh.html

yep all i need is a nother palette taking up the space and doing everything
thats already in the dropdown menu's.
"edjh" <edjhann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sSJ1b.1386$oJ.158@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
> medez_p wrote:
> > Thanks David, but no that's not what I was looking for. Those are the
menu
> > items that are visible on my computer as well. I am talking about the
> > toolbars (with a set of icons for a new image, save file, multiple
undo/redo
> > etc.). Adobe apparently assumed they were not needed and people will
> > eventually get used to it without them anyway. And it looks like people
did!
> >
>
> >
> Never had them and in my opinion doesn't need them. When I encounter
> that in apps I always turn it off.
>
> --
> Comic book sketches and artwork:
> http://www.sover.net/~hannigan/edjh.html
>
>

Ok, so Microsoft Office and most other programs are wrong in including a
toolbar of commonly-used commands with options to customize or even turn
them off, despite the fact that these same commands are also available from
the drop down menus.

I know I can't convince you but you will also never convince me that these
toolbars are useless or these toolbars will somehow restrict the artistic
genius in the PhotoShop user.

If pressing F could magically make all the open palettes disappear, it could
also send the toolbar into oblivion. I don't see what's the big deal about
it if it could provide some convenience to a newbie like me while giving an
option to turn it off for pros like you.

Paul


"ben-dover" <http://www.gilligan@theisle> wrote in message
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> yep all i need is a nother palette taking up the space and doing
everything
> thats already in the dropdown menu's.
> "edjh" <edjhann@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:sSJ1b.1386$oJ.158@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > medez_p wrote:
> > > Thanks David, but no that's not what I was looking for. Those are the
> menu
> > > items that are visible on my computer as well. I am talking about the
> > > toolbars (with a set of icons for a new image, save file, multiple
> undo/redo
> > > etc.). Adobe apparently assumed they were not needed and people will
> > > eventually get used to it without them anyway. And it looks like
people
> did!
> > >
> >
> > >
> > Never had them and in my opinion doesn't need them. When I encounter
> > that in apps I always turn it off.
> >
> > --
> > Comic book sketches and artwork:
> > http://www.sover.net/~hannigan/edjh.html
> >
> >
>
>

In news:vkg153scinvq22@corp.supernews.com, medez_p deftly typed:
> Ok, so Microsoft Office and most other programs are wrong in
> including a toolbar of commonly-used commands with options to
> customize or even turn them off, despite the fact that these same
> commands are also available from the drop down menus.
>
> I know I can't convince you but you will also never convince me that
> these toolbars are useless or these toolbars will somehow restrict
> the artistic genius in the PhotoShop user.
>
> If pressing F could magically make all the open palettes disappear,
> it could also send the toolbar into oblivion. I don't see what's the
> big deal about it if it could provide some convenience to a newbie
> like me while giving an option to turn it off for pros like you.
>
> Paul
>
>

BTW, I don't feel Adobe has the palm for weird interface: Have you ever
looked at a program called Bryce(I believe it's sold by Corel now, but
not sure)? Or what about Autodesk Combustion? Or Boris red for that
matter... But you're right, a piece of software is a product and as
such, if it doesn't accomplish what you need the way you want it to at a
price you're willing to pay, then that product isn't good for you.

--
Martin.
"The known is finite, The unknown infinite"
T.H.Huxley