Well crap. There goes my perfect record.

"rjn" <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177882021.639373.115210@y80g2000hsf.googlegr oups.com...
> "jim menning" <jmenningS...@new.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks like he went about it the wrong way. He [seller who
>> went NARU before the buyer posted FB] could
>> have had the feedback you left
>> for him removed, as you violated the feedback rules.
>
> Which rule?

Uh, the one I quoted (before you changed my quote).

"jim menning" <jmenningS...@new.rr.com> wrote:

> > Which rule?

> Uh, the one I quoted (before you changed my quote).

Oh, you mean the:-)
FB: "... PayPal settled in my favor."
Rule: "The feedback makes reference to an eBay, PayPal
or law enforcement organization investigation."

Guess so.
FB: "... recovered payment."
is probably a safer way to express it, leaving the
reader to draw their own conclusions about how.

Is it supposed that the seller's post-NARU
retaliatory neg is also [still] a violation as well?
It used to be.

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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007 16:31:57 -0400, PeterD <peter2@hipson.net> wrote:

>On 29 Apr 2007 19:10:23 GMT, Lee <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>>TODAY, I received my first neg: "Thanks for the garbage feedback, right
>>back at ya:-) "
>
>now you know: leave a neg, get a neg.
It's like trying for perfect attendance in school: miss once and yer
done. there is no coming back.

Of course they help the kids by suspending them for stupid issues. So
does ebay by making the system impossible to deal with.

Best course of action is to realise that being in the 99th percentile
is still pretty good and look instead to your gross and net and forget
the meaningless fb score.

The importance of this event as far as any real consequences to you,
are nil, assuming that you have a separate buyer account and separate
seller account.

i

"rjn" <email4rjn@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177885125.737087.297650@e65g2000hsc.googlegr oups.com...
> "jim menning" <jmenningS...@new.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> > Which rule?
>
>> Uh, the one I quoted (before you changed my quote).
>
> Oh, you mean the:-)
> FB: "... PayPal settled in my favor."
> Rule: "The feedback makes reference to an eBay, PayPal
> or law enforcement organization investigation."
>
> Guess so.
> FB: "... recovered payment."
> is probably a safer way to express it, leaving the
> reader to draw their own conclusions about how.
>
> Is it supposed that the seller's post-NARU
> retaliatory neg is also [still] a violation as well?
> It used to be.
>

I don't really care one way or another. If the buyer didn't post the feedback they
did, they wouldn't have gotten the negative in return. Then they wouldn't be wasting
our time by whining now. Negatives breed negatives as one party tries to one-up the
other. That's just the way things work.

On Apr 29, 4:31?pm, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
>
> now you know: leave a neg, get a neg.- Hide quoted text -
>

Unfortunately true. Ask many posters here, they will tell you no
negative is deserved. For example, many here think that if they screw
up an auction, then fix it later, it couldn't have possibly been a
negative experience for the buyer and if he leaves a neg he is a (fill
in the blank with expletives) and deserves retaliation.

Most sellers retaliate for negs. This is why the feedback system is
utterly useless for those who hold buyers FB hostage. The Lancaster
approach guarantees a seller's feedback filled with lies.

The new feedback system goes a long way toward helping buyers sniff
out the bad sellers. And the bad sellers have already started whining.

MY ADVICE: Leave an honest, unemotional response ("I paid, this is a
retaliatory feedback, read his other FB"), then MOVE ON. Come on, it
is only a set of words on an online auction site. Life is hugely more
important than eBay feedback, and certainly more important that this
bad seller.

On Apr 29, 5:07?pm, Don Lancaster <d...@tinaja.com> wrote:
>
> If the buyer fulfilled their part of the contract, they would not have
> been negged.
>


Ah, yes, the part of the contract that says "no negative is ever
deserved."

googler <googlergoog...@aol.com> wrote:

> The Lancaster approach guarantees a seller's
> feedback filled with lies.

Um, how?
His is a seller-first system. I use it myself

It does depend on the buyer reporting delivery
and no issues. Many do. Some don't. Some do
so via FB (which I wish they wouldn't).

And if they have issues, they either get resolved,
or full refund (and block). They probably don't
want the seller posting at all (much less first) in
that case :-)

--
Regards, Bob Niland mailto:name@ispname.tld
http://www.access-one.com/rjn email4rjn AT yahoo DOT com
NOT speaking for any employer, client or Internet Service Provider.

googler wrote:
> MY ADVICE: Leave an honest, unemotional response...

You seem to have taken a 180 in your feedback viewpoint
based on your previous posts.


Lumpy
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Yes. I'm cleaning your bathroom bowl.
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jim menning wrote:

> "Lee" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns99219AB448105Lee@130.133.1.4...
> > Just whining here. I am an ebay buyer. I thought I was a seller's dream
> > customer, y'know, bid, pay immediately, then leave feedback upon receipt
> > of item, and never ASK for feedback . . . My buyer feedback was 176
> > Positive, now it's 175 and 99.4%
> >
> > But Noooo.. Last year, that's right, LAST year, I won a small item, and
> > as usual, paid the same day by PayPal. Three weeks later, no item, seller
> > went NARU, no word from seller, so I sent a message via Ebay. No
> > response, so after 5 weeks and another message, I filed for a refund via
> > PayPal, the seller never responded, and ultimately my payment was
> > refunded in full. Seller's account was later reinstated, and I left a
> > neg: "Pd. immediately by PayPal, no item, no resp to email, PayPal
> > settled in my favor."
> >
> > TODAY, I received my first neg: "Thanks for the garbage feedback, right
> > back at ya:-) "
> >
> > It sucks that a seller can leave a retaliatory neg MONTHS after PayPal
> > makes a full refund to the buyer, who fulfilled their part of the
> > contract. Sigh.
> >
> > Lee
>
> Looks like he went about it the wrong way. He could have had the feedback you left
> for him removed, as you violated the feedback rules.
>
> http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ithdrawal.html
>
> "Feedback that meets any of the circumstances below is feedback abuse and may be
> subject to removal.
> The feedback makes reference to an eBay, PayPal or law enforcement organization
> investigation."

As usual you are 100% correct about LAW that is 10,000%
wrong! Good luck to you and ............ THE LAW!

KLM