For all of you who send parcels..

I bought some silk sari fabric the other week - arrived in a superdrug bag
with the handles taped together and an piece of paper taped to the front
with my address. The lady wasn't happy that I left a neutral feedback, but
I wasn't happy with the way it was packaged!

Charlie.

"Ridwan Hughes" <fox@ridhughz.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1979986fd348d0c398aa34@130.133.1.4...
> In article <MPG.197633472aa67943989ab0@news.theplanet.net>,
> conor_turton@hotmail.com says...
> > I've recently started a job as a night trunk driver for a parcel firm.
> > I'd just like to point out that there is scary amount of parcels which
> > are extremely badly packed.
> >
> > Take last night. 12 reels of plumbers solder packed in a thin cardboard
> > box held together with bugger all tape. Needless to say I know it was
> > solder because the edges of the box gave up. The tape was still intact
> > but the cardboard was too light to cope with the weight.
> >
> > Another one is people using crap quality tape so the boxes come unstuck
> > and also people not "padding out" boxes so that the slightest presure
> > on the flaps causes the tape to give up the ghost.
> >
> > So please take care when you're packing stuff.
>
> Sometimes it amazes me how items I buy survive going through the post,
> one time I got some game carts and they were literally wrapped in a
> single layer of brown paper, god knows how they weren't damaged. Another
> item was put in a large box with two sheets of crumpled up newspaper
> inside for 'padding', somehow that survived intact too.
>
> One thing that does bug me is Game Gear game sellers who post boxed games
> in jiffy bags, the cardboard box of the game doesn't always survive the
> post without being crushed :-(
>
>
> --
> Rid

Charlie wrote:
> I bought some silk sari fabric the other week - arrived in a
> superdrug bag with the handles taped together and an piece of paper
> taped to the front with my address. The lady wasn't happy that I
> left a neutral feedback, but I wasn't happy with the way it was
> packaged!
>
> Charlie.
>

Pah! Ya shoulda bought my nice Sari fabric when it was up - had a fringe at
one end - the Sari with the fringe on top? It were real nice too.

Sadly, it failed to sell so I may just list again.

Gran

I had a similar experience. I bought a footie shirt and was charged £1.99
postage only for it arrive with about 70p worth of stamps on and rolled up
in a very cheap plastic bag wrapped in brown tape. My wife thought I had
bought some secondhand socks!




"Charlie" <news@lowfidelity.NOSPAMorg.uk> wrote in message
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> I bought some silk sari fabric the other week - arrived in a superdrug bag
> with the handles taped together and an piece of paper taped to the front
> with my address. The lady wasn't happy that I left a neutral feedback,
but
> I wasn't happy with the way it was packaged!
>
> Charlie.
>
> "Ridwan Hughes" <fox@ridhughz.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1979986fd348d0c398aa34@130.133.1.4...
> > In article <MPG.197633472aa67943989ab0@news.theplanet.net>,
> > conor_turton@hotmail.com says...
> > > I've recently started a job as a night trunk driver for a parcel firm.
> > > I'd just like to point out that there is scary amount of parcels which
> > > are extremely badly packed.
> > >
> > > Take last night. 12 reels of plumbers solder packed in a thin
cardboard
> > > box held together with bugger all tape. Needless to say I know it was
> > > solder because the edges of the box gave up. The tape was still intact
> > > but the cardboard was too light to cope with the weight.
> > >
> > > Another one is people using crap quality tape so the boxes come
unstuck
> > > and also people not "padding out" boxes so that the slightest presure
> > > on the flaps causes the tape to give up the ghost.
> > >
> > > So please take care when you're packing stuff.
> >
> > Sometimes it amazes me how items I buy survive going through the post,
> > one time I got some game carts and they were literally wrapped in a
> > single layer of brown paper, god knows how they weren't damaged. Another
> > item was put in a large box with two sheets of crumpled up newspaper
> > inside for 'padding', somehow that survived intact too.
> >
> > One thing that does bug me is Game Gear game sellers who post boxed
games
> > in jiffy bags, the cardboard box of the game doesn't always survive the
> > post without being crushed :-(
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rid
>
>

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:46:32 +0100, "SuperLeeds"
<iloveleeds@leeds.com> wrote:

>I had a similar experience. I bought a footie shirt and was charged £1.99
>postage only for it arrive with about 70p worth of stamps on and rolled up
>in a very cheap plastic bag wrapped in brown tape. My wife thought I had
>bought some secondhand socks!

the seller has taken into account his travelling costs to the post
office, his time and any other expense that he had to go to get the
item to you. . you had a good deal there as the shirt would have cost
you 40-50 pounds if buying at a store and the money you'd have to pay
in petrol or bus fair to go to the shop.

"Puck" <Puck@PLEASEuseREPLYtoADDRESS.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:51:34 +0100, "C-Beeby"
> <tweenies@northamptonshire.co.uk> wrote:
> >that's as may be, but there are ways of packaging items which are
> >acceptable, and stuffing something in a plastic bag and sticking stamps
on
> >it would get the quickest neg I've ever left if I were to receive it. If
> >you bought something from Amazon would you be happy if it arrived stuffed
in
> >an old bread bag with your address scribbled in rapid marker? They've
got
> >overheads too, you know.
>
> amazon is an unfair comparison. they buy packaging material by
> bulkloads and pay less than a penny per package on shipping.
>
It was meant as an extreme example. I pick up packaging free by bulkloads,
helped by my children so it counts as "learning through play" as well, and
the buyer pays the postage.

> personally i charge 99 pence as flatrate for however many badges you
> buy from my store with a choice of over 50+. i have on ocassion had
> people emailing me asking to put a single badge in an envelope and
> charge then 28 pence. if i were to do that who pays for the envelope?
> who pays for the printing cost of the envelope?
>

agree, absolutely, I weigh my books and add about 50p, which covers PayPal
costs, printing the label, sellotape etc. I think your postage is entirely
reasonable also, but I might make the occasional exception if someone asked
nicely if I was in a very good mood. Recently I was sent an underpayment
through PayPal (overseas postage issue) and on refunding and sending my
usual friendly email I got a snotty one back saying that it can't possibly
cost that much to send such a thin paperback to Sweden. As it happened it
cost rather less than my ready reckoner calculated, and I would have reduced
it if he'd asked nicely beforehand rather than give me the extra bother of
refunding his payment, sending an explanatory email and then p~ing me off by
admitting he'd deliberately tried it on. I always leave feedback on receipt
of payment, but his is stuck firmly in the pending pile...

> furthermore i use quality paper as an invoice of sorts as well as
> sealed bags for make the badge waterproof. i also take into account my
> full printing costs, paper costs, selotape costs and basically
> everything that i have to pay to send the items over.
>

too right

> i think some buyers are cheapskate and want to cut corners everywhere.
> basically, you get what you pay for.
>

Agreed. I'm not criticising you in any way, I was merely reflecting on a
seller who would stuff something into a plastic bag and stick stamps and a
label on. That is appalling, not good service at all, and the sort of thing
which gives sellers who care about doing a good job a bad name. It's not
the seller taking other costs into account, it's a lazy and thoughtless
seller who will discourage people buying things from you and me over ebay by
their sloppy actions

Feathers

"Puck" <Puck@PLEASEuseREPLYtoADDRESS.com> wrote in message
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>
> agreed. i think there are good and bad sellers and i just wish that
> there was something beyond the feedbacks and powerseller status that
> would identify the very best sellers who go out of their way to keep
> buyers happy to those who provide shoddy merchandise, packaging and
> service in general.

I think it should be calculated by the number of plus signs, exclamation
marks, asterisks and smileys in feedback left

Feathers

Well actually the shirt wasn't a new one (and how did you know how good my
deal was? Are you the seller?) and it certainly wasn't as per description.

Sorry but you argument doesn't hold and Ebayers who massively overcharge on
postage give the rest of us a bad name. The real point here is that p&p
should mean p&p not trying to claw your listing fees back by over charging
on postage. No way should anyone charge for a trip to the Post Office or
their time to wrap a parcel! At the end of the day I wanted the item (even
though it turned out a duffer) and I was aware of the charges in advance, so
I hold my hands up on this one and say I knew what I was doing. When I sell,
I try to charge accurate postage and refund any excess as is the etiquette
in the hobby I take part in - selling footie programmes. I may add a few
pence for a padded envelope or a parcel to cover the cost of tape etc but
that's about it.



"Puck" <Puck@PLEASEuseREPLYtoADDRESS.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:46:32 +0100, "SuperLeeds"
> <iloveleeds@leeds.com> wrote:
>
> >I had a similar experience. I bought a footie shirt and was charged
£1.99
> >postage only for it arrive with about 70p worth of stamps on and rolled
up
> >in a very cheap plastic bag wrapped in brown tape. My wife thought I had
> >bought some secondhand socks!
>
> the seller has taken into account his travelling costs to the post
> office, his time and any other expense that he had to go to get the
> item to you. . you had a good deal there as the shirt would have cost
> you 40-50 pounds if buying at a store and the money you'd have to pay
> in petrol or bus fair to go to the shop.
>

"SuperLeeds" <iloveleeds@leeds.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry but you argument doesn't hold and Ebayers who massively overcharge
on
> postage give the rest of us a bad name. The real point here is that p&p
> should mean p&p not trying to claw your listing fees back by over charging
> on postage. No way should anyone charge for a trip to the Post Office or
> their time to wrap a parcel!

I used to call is P&P in my auctions, now I call it Shipping & Handling
because people who thought like you do did not stop to think that as a
company I have staff. Staff like to be paid for the work they do such as
packing items for shipment and as that is a cost I incur when having to ship
items out I pass on a part of that to the bidder. If they do not want to pay
it they are welcome to collect in person - that way I will not have to pay
staff to pack the item up!

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Best Regards
Niel Humphreys
Snowdon Computers

"Snowdon Computers" <sales@snowdoncomputers.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "SuperLeeds" <iloveleeds@leeds.com> wrote in message
> news:bfjt7c$gb3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Sorry but you argument doesn't hold and Ebayers who massively overcharge
> on
> > postage give the rest of us a bad name. The real point here is that p&p
> > should mean p&p not trying to claw your listing fees back by over
charging
> > on postage. No way should anyone charge for a trip to the Post Office
or
> > their time to wrap a parcel!
>
> I used to call is P&P in my auctions, now I call it Shipping & Handling
> because people who thought like you do did not stop to think that as a
> company I have staff. Staff like to be paid for the work they do such as
> packing items for shipment and as that is a cost I incur when having to
ship
> items out I pass on a part of that to the bidder. If they do not want to
pay
> it they are welcome to collect in person - that way I will not have to pay
> staff to pack the item up!

agreed, my staff is ME and I pay ME for my time...

Feathers
(heartily enjoying the robust debate here - innit great that we're all so
much stroppier than AMOE!!!)

"C-Beeby" <tweenies@northamptonshire.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> "Snowdon Computers" <sales@snowdoncomputers.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:bfk8j0$bgl$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > "SuperLeeds" <iloveleeds@leeds.com> wrote in message
> > news:bfjt7c$gb3$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > Sorry but you argument doesn't hold and Ebayers who massively
overcharge
> > on
> > > postage give the rest of us a bad name. The real point here is that
p&p
> > > should mean p&p not trying to claw your listing fees back by over
> charging
> > > on postage. No way should anyone charge for a trip to the Post Office
> or
> > > their time to wrap a parcel!
> >
> > I used to call is P&P in my auctions, now I call it Shipping & Handling
> > because people who thought like you do did not stop to think that as a
> > company I have staff. Staff like to be paid for the work they do such as
> > packing items for shipment and as that is a cost I incur when having to
> ship
> > items out I pass on a part of that to the bidder. If they do not want to
> pay
> > it they are welcome to collect in person - that way I will not have to
pay
> > staff to pack the item up!
>
> agreed, my staff is ME and I pay ME for my time...
>
> Feathers
> (heartily enjoying the robust debate here - innit great that we're all so
> much stroppier than AMOE!!!)


Same here, seeing as I am a director I am technically staff. :o)

Yea - I love a good argument with much stroppiness and sarcasm.
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Best Regards
Niel Humphreys
Snowdon Computers