Sellers Terms/Conditions getting longer & longer???

Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by the day.
On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can bit. Some
will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method only. And
then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different form of
payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the shipping and
"handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers handelling/packing
expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct tape.

Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging but when
an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the sellers idea
of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take exception to
paying extra.

I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for things but
now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers conditions.
Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in turbo
lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments they will
accept from that particular area.

Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any attempt
to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the automated
letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that up they
forget little things like where to send payment or they just list the
shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.

As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the same forms
of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good enough to
bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package it well
and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.

Any comments would be most apreciated.

CJ

"CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on
ebay
> auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by
the day.
> On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can
bid. Some
> will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method
only....

Yes, a lot are a PITA.
--
You might want to check out
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bad-eBay-Sellers

K

"CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
> auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by the
day.
> On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can bit.
Some
> will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method only.
And
> then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different form of
> payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the shipping
and
> "handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers handelling/packing
> expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct tape.
>
> Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging but when
> an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the sellers
idea
> of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take exception to
> paying extra.
>
> I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for things
but
> now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers conditions.
> Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in turbo
> lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments they
will
> accept from that particular area.
>
> Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any
attempt
> to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the automated
> letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that up they
> forget little things like where to send payment or they just list the
> shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.
>
> As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the same
forms
> of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good enough
to
> bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package it
well
> and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.
>
> Any comments would be most apreciated.
>
> CJ
>
Everything you mentioned *should* raise red flags in your mind. "Danger,
danger Will Robinson..." There is an old adage to the effect that it takes
far fewer words to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
All the caveats and restrictions are often associated with scams, especially
those which require unusual payment methods or which specify unreasonable
rules on the buyer. For example "seller will ship within 30 days" has
actually appeared in auctions and people actually bid. At the very least,
all the mumbo jumbo is there to provide a smokescreen against dispute
resolution in favor of a dissatisfied customer. We've all seen the "if the
buyer had *read* my (200 line) disclaimer..." defense.
This is just my personal opinion, but I believe the operative question is
whether you wish (as a buyer) to give up your "normal" rights as a customer
to buy from a seller who adds these kinds of caveats. I prefer to restrict
my business to sellers who do not have any "special" rules or silly S&H
charges.

"Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.neptune> wrote in message
news:0gzLb.58815$HQ.48767@okepread02...
>
> "CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
> > auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by the
> day.
> > On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can bit.
> Some
> > will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method only.
> And
> > then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different form
of
> > payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the shipping
> and
> > "handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers handelling/packing
> > expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct tape.
> >
> > Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging but
when
> > an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the sellers
> idea
> > of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take exception to
> > paying extra.
> >
> > I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for things
> but
> > now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers
conditions.
> > Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in turbo
> > lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments they
> will
> > accept from that particular area.
> >
> > Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any
> attempt
> > to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the
automated
> > letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that up
they
> > forget little things like where to send payment or they just list the
> > shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.
> >
> > As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the same
> forms
> > of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good
enough
> to
> > bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package it
> well
> > and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.
> >
> > Any comments would be most apreciated.
> >
> > CJ
> >
> Everything you mentioned *should* raise red flags in your mind. "Danger,
> danger Will Robinson..." There is an old adage to the effect that it takes
> far fewer words to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
> All the caveats and restrictions are often associated with scams,
especially
> those which require unusual payment methods or which specify unreasonable
> rules on the buyer. For example "seller will ship within 30 days" has
> actually appeared in auctions and people actually bid. At the very least,
> all the mumbo jumbo is there to provide a smokescreen against dispute
> resolution in favor of a dissatisfied customer. We've all seen the "if the
> buyer had *read* my (200 line) disclaimer..." defense.
> This is just my personal opinion, but I believe the operative question is
> whether you wish (as a buyer) to give up your "normal" rights as a
customer
> to buy from a seller who adds these kinds of caveats. I prefer to restrict
> my business to sellers who do not have any "special" rules or silly S&H
> charges.
>

ebay has made so many useless changes lately that make it more difficult to
use.

i've been selling there since 1999 but will stop in about six weeks. i'm
absolutely sick of that site and i hate it. i wish there was some
competition that could kick it's big bloated ass.

I love your last line, feel the same way. I am working on a site now, it
will be secure in a week as far as verisign installed, my CC gateway is
being installed. It will not be long. Like I said, it will be similar, just
less complicated. I have paid over $2k for a co to drive hits to the site
starting May, 01 2004, and quite a bit of print and some Media Ads as well.
It may go or it may flop, but I will never know unless I try. The fees are
going to be unusually reasonable, and I plan to keep them that way. That is
one of my biggest gripes on epay, I mean ebay. They are excessive and it has
gotten out of hand. Hope to see all who want at
http://smalltownauction.com , Customer Service will be much better as well.
I do not want to hint too much about this yet for proprietary reasons, but
it will be easier, more straight forward.
customer_service@smalltownauction.com We cannot take ebay down, that is
impossible, and not practical, but we can send them a very strong message if
you utilize this site........................See you soon!
----- Original Message -----
From: "anya" <anya_9@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.anti-ebay,alt.buyers.ebay,alt.ebay.sucks
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: Sellers Terms/Conditions getting longer & longer???


>
> "Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.neptune> wrote in message
> news:0gzLb.58815$HQ.48767@okepread02...
> >
> > "CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> > news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > > Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
> > > auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by
the
> > day.
> > > On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can bit.
> > Some
> > > will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method
only.
> > And
> > > then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different
form
> of
> > > payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the
shipping
> > and
> > > "handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers
handelling/packing
> > > expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct
tape.
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging but
> when
> > > an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the
sellers
> > idea
> > > of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take exception
to
> > > paying extra.
> > >
> > > I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for
things
> > but
> > > now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers
> conditions.
> > > Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in
turbo
> > > lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments they
> > will
> > > accept from that particular area.
> > >
> > > Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any
> > attempt
> > > to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the
> automated
> > > letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that up
> they
> > > forget little things like where to send payment or they just list the
> > > shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.
> > >
> > > As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the same
> > forms
> > > of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good
> enough
> > to
> > > bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package
it
> > well
> > > and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.
> > >
> > > Any comments would be most apreciated.
> > >
> > > CJ
> > >
> > Everything you mentioned *should* raise red flags in your mind. "Danger,
> > danger Will Robinson..." There is an old adage to the effect that it
takes
> > far fewer words to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
> > All the caveats and restrictions are often associated with scams,
> especially
> > those which require unusual payment methods or which specify
unreasonable
> > rules on the buyer. For example "seller will ship within 30 days" has
> > actually appeared in auctions and people actually bid. At the very
least,
> > all the mumbo jumbo is there to provide a smokescreen against dispute
> > resolution in favor of a dissatisfied customer. We've all seen the "if
the
> > buyer had *read* my (200 line) disclaimer..." defense.
> > This is just my personal opinion, but I believe the operative question
is
> > whether you wish (as a buyer) to give up your "normal" rights as a
> customer
> > to buy from a seller who adds these kinds of caveats. I prefer to
restrict
> > my business to sellers who do not have any "special" rules or silly S&H
> > charges.
> >
>
> ebay has made so many useless changes lately that make it more difficult
to
> use.
>
> i've been selling there since 1999 but will stop in about six weeks. i'm
> absolutely sick of that site and i hate it. i wish there was some
> competition that could kick it's big bloated ass.
"anya" <anya_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ym4fc.338$zv6.255@clgrps12...
>
> "Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.neptune> wrote in message
> news:0gzLb.58815$HQ.48767@okepread02...
> >
> > "CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> > news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > > Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
> > > auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by
the
> > day.
> > > On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can bit.
> > Some
> > > will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method
only.
> > And
> > > then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different
form
> of
> > > payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the
shipping
> > and
> > > "handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers
handelling/packing
> > > expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct
tape.
> > >
> > > Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging but
> when
> > > an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the
sellers
> > idea
> > > of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take exception
to
> > > paying extra.
> > >
> > > I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for
things
> > but
> > > now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers
> conditions.
> > > Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in
turbo
> > > lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments they
> > will
> > > accept from that particular area.
> > >
> > > Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any
> > attempt
> > > to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the
> automated
> > > letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that up
> they
> > > forget little things like where to send payment or they just list the
> > > shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.
> > >
> > > As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the same
> > forms
> > > of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good
> enough
> > to
> > > bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package
it
> > well
> > > and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.
> > >
> > > Any comments would be most apreciated.
> > >
> > > CJ
> > >
> > Everything you mentioned *should* raise red flags in your mind. "Danger,
> > danger Will Robinson..." There is an old adage to the effect that it
takes
> > far fewer words to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
> > All the caveats and restrictions are often associated with scams,
> especially
> > those which require unusual payment methods or which specify
unreasonable
> > rules on the buyer. For example "seller will ship within 30 days" has
> > actually appeared in auctions and people actually bid. At the very
least,
> > all the mumbo jumbo is there to provide a smokescreen against dispute
> > resolution in favor of a dissatisfied customer. We've all seen the "if
the
> > buyer had *read* my (200 line) disclaimer..." defense.
> > This is just my personal opinion, but I believe the operative question
is
> > whether you wish (as a buyer) to give up your "normal" rights as a
> customer
> > to buy from a seller who adds these kinds of caveats. I prefer to
restrict
> > my business to sellers who do not have any "special" rules or silly S&H
> > charges.
> >
>
> ebay has made so many useless changes lately that make it more difficult
to
> use.
>
> i've been selling there since 1999 but will stop in about six weeks. i'm
> absolutely sick of that site and i hate it. i wish there was some
> competition that could kick it's big bloated ass.
>
>

the site can be reached by this link, http://207.36.239.98/index.asp the
other below is still being worked on.........Construction in progress,
maybe............
> I love your last line, feel the same way. I am working on a site now, it
> will be secure in a week as far as verisign installed, my CC gateway is
> being installed. It will not be long. Like I said, it will be similar,
just
> less complicated. I have paid over $2k for a co to drive hits to the site
> starting May, 01 2004, and quite a bit of print and some Media Ads as
well.
> It may go or it may flop, but I will never know unless I try. The fees are
> going to be unusually reasonable, and I plan to keep them that way. That
is
> one of my biggest gripes on epay, I mean ebay. They are excessive and it
has
> gotten out of hand. Hope to see all who want at
> http://smalltownauction.com , Customer Service will be much better as
well.
> I do not want to hint too much about this yet for proprietary reasons, but
> it will be easier, more straight forward.
> customer_service@smalltownauction.com We cannot take ebay down, that is
> impossible, and not practical, but we can send them a very strong message
if
> you utilize this site........................See you soon!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "anya" <anya_9@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.anti-ebay,alt.buyers.ebay,alt.ebay.sucks
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:55 AM
> Subject: Re: Sellers Terms/Conditions getting longer & longer???
>
>
> >
> > "Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.neptune> wrote in message
> > news:0gzLb.58815$HQ.48767@okepread02...
> > >
> > > "CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> > > news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > > > Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
> > > > auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by
> the
> > > day.
> > > > On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can
bit.
> > > Some
> > > > will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method
> only.
> > > And
> > > > then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different
> form
> > of
> > > > payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the
> shipping
> > > and
> > > > "handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers
> handelling/packing
> > > > expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct
> tape.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging
but
> > when
> > > > an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the
> sellers
> > > idea
> > > > of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take
exception
> to
> > > > paying extra.
> > > >
> > > > I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for
> things
> > > but
> > > > now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers
> > conditions.
> > > > Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in
> turbo
> > > > lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments
they
> > > will
> > > > accept from that particular area.
> > > >
> > > > Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any
> > > attempt
> > > > to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the
> > automated
> > > > letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that
up
> > they
> > > > forget little things like where to send payment or they just list
the
> > > > shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.
> > > >
> > > > As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the
same
> > > forms
> > > > of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good
> > enough
> > > to
> > > > bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package
> it
> > > well
> > > > and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments would be most apreciated.
> > > >
> > > > CJ
> > > >
> > > Everything you mentioned *should* raise red flags in your mind.
"Danger,
> > > danger Will Robinson..." There is an old adage to the effect that it
> takes
> > > far fewer words to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
> > > All the caveats and restrictions are often associated with scams,
> > especially
> > > those which require unusual payment methods or which specify
> unreasonable
> > > rules on the buyer. For example "seller will ship within 30 days" has
> > > actually appeared in auctions and people actually bid. At the very
> least,
> > > all the mumbo jumbo is there to provide a smokescreen against dispute
> > > resolution in favor of a dissatisfied customer. We've all seen the "if
> the
> > > buyer had *read* my (200 line) disclaimer..." defense.
> > > This is just my personal opinion, but I believe the operative question
> is
> > > whether you wish (as a buyer) to give up your "normal" rights as a
> > customer
> > > to buy from a seller who adds these kinds of caveats. I prefer to
> restrict
> > > my business to sellers who do not have any "special" rules or silly
S&H
> > > charges.
> > >
> >
> > ebay has made so many useless changes lately that make it more difficult
> to
> > use.
> >
> > i've been selling there since 1999 but will stop in about six weeks. i'm
> > absolutely sick of that site and i hate it. i wish there was some
> > competition that could kick it's big bloated ass.
> "anya" <anya_9@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Ym4fc.338$zv6.255@clgrps12...
> >
> > "Peter van der Goes" <p_vandergoes@mars.cox.neptune> wrote in message
> > news:0gzLb.58815$HQ.48767@okepread02...
> > >
> > > "CJ" <cjoleary@gofree.indigo.ie> wrote in message
> > > news:btks7c$pc1$1@kermit.esat.net...
> > > > Has anyone else noticed that the disclaimers, conditions etc on ebay
> > > > auctions are getting longer and longer and even more complicated by
> the
> > > day.
> > > > On some of them you practically need a law degree before you can
bit.
> > > Some
> > > > will sell to this country but you have to pay by a certain method
> only.
> > > And
> > > > then they'll ship to that country but will only accept a different
> form
> > of
> > > > payment from there. And then there's the fine print about the
> shipping
> > > and
> > > > "handelling" charges. In my experience, most sellers
> handelling/packing
> > > > expenses consists of a box, some newspaper, a label and some duct
> tape.
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I don't mind paying a little extra for good packaging
but
> > when
> > > > an item like a '30's tombstone radio arives smashed because the
> sellers
> > > idea
> > > > of packing was an old teatowel wedged inside it then I take
exception
> to
> > > > paying extra.
> > > >
> > > > I really used to enjoy spending a few hours browsing on ebay for
> things
> > > but
> > > > now I seem to spend most of my time wading through all sellers
> > conditions.
> > > > Surely ebay could limit the length of these and provide a form in
> turbo
> > > > lister to clarify where the seller will ship to and what payments
they
> > > will
> > > > accept from that particular area.
> > > >
> > > > Also, recently I've been having problems with sellers not making any
> > > attempt
> > > > to contact me at the end of the auction and just relying on the
> > automated
> > > > letter at the end of the auction. Unfortunatly, when the set that
up
> > they
> > > > forget little things like where to send payment or they just list
the
> > > > shipping in the US even if it's an international auction.
> > > >
> > > > As a seller myself, I always try to be consistant. I accept the
same
> > > forms
> > > > of payment from all countries and consider that if a buyer is good
> > enough
> > > to
> > > > bid and pay for my item then I should at least be willing to package
> it
> > > well
> > > > and mail it to them without any "Handling" charges.
> > > >
> > > > Any comments would be most apreciated.
> > > >
> > > > CJ
> > > >
> > > Everything you mentioned *should* raise red flags in your mind.
"Danger,
> > > danger Will Robinson..." There is an old adage to the effect that it
> takes
> > > far fewer words to tell the truth than to tell a lie.
> > > All the caveats and restrictions are often associated with scams,
> > especially
> > > those which require unusual payment methods or which specify
> unreasonable
> > > rules on the buyer. For example "seller will ship within 30 days" has
> > > actually appeared in auctions and people actually bid. At the very
> least,
> > > all the mumbo jumbo is there to provide a smokescreen against dispute
> > > resolution in favor of a dissatisfied customer. We've all seen the "if
> the
> > > buyer had *read* my (200 line) disclaimer..." defense.
> > > This is just my personal opinion, but I believe the operative question
> is
> > > whether you wish (as a buyer) to give up your "normal" rights as a
> > customer
> > > to buy from a seller who adds these kinds of caveats. I prefer to
> restrict
> > > my business to sellers who do not have any "special" rules or silly
S&H
> > > charges.
> > >
> >
> > ebay has made so many useless changes lately that make it more difficult
> to
> > use.
> >
> > i've been selling there since 1999 but will stop in about six weeks. i'm
> > absolutely sick of that site and i hate it. i wish there was some
> > competition that could kick it's big bloated ass.
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