Halo 1.5 / Halo:Tournament Edition

http://www.petitiononline.com/GOODHALO/petition.html
Bungie you messed up Halo 2, you took every thing out that made Halo the
greastest game ever...

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On 11/30/04 1:08 PM, in article coigg6$nof$1@atlantis.news.tpi.pl, "FIL4"
<gcn@wp.pl> wrote:

> http://www.petitiononline.com/GOODHALO/petition.html
> Bungie you messed up Halo 2, you took every thing out that made Halo the
> greastest game ever...

I think that Halo 2 is better than Halo 1. They didn't really take out any
elements at all; just added new ones that, in my opinion, improved it.

> I think that Halo 2 is better than Halo 1. They didn't really take out any
> elements at all; just added new ones that, in my opinion, improved it.
From MLG forum:
"Why did you destroy the rifle, pistol, rocket, sniper, grenades, shield,
HUD, warthog, tank, multiplayer maps, campaign, melees, & physics of the
first game."
"This isnt counter strike, o and the only thing about halo 2 i like is the
campaign it was something new, the multiplayer is wack. It may take a lil
bit of skill but not as much as the first one."
"halo2 online is the only thing cool about the game."
"exactly, the LAN aspect of Halo2 is no where near halo1. and LAN was the
thing that probably kept this game going so long"
"This game takes little skill. In Halo1, you could charge a room, that had
2+ enemies in it, and if you had a OV, or even sometimes not, you could kill
all of them. Now its suicide to charge a room with more then 1 player in
it... because stupid f*** noobs w/ Dual wields can spray you down... kthx im
done whining.."
" For my friends and I, we cannot play 4 man split screen anymore, and can
barely play 2 man anymore. The reason? Its almost like you have tunnel
vision. I absolutely cannot see anything."
"find H2 to be more unbalanced. Its either grab sniper/sword. Another thing
I noticed in H2, right after I spawned, I would grab the sniper or sword and
go on a killing spree.. Its pretty much the only weapon I use. I find that
H2 mainly has a spray and pray focus.. I also realized that after a while,
the n00bs at the LAN and XBL got better fast, the learning curve is
seriously 1 hour, 2 hours tops."

I just wanna say: its all freakin true. H2 MP is horrible game ;//

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On 11/30/04 6:50 PM, in article coj4on$7nu$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl, "FIL4"
<gcn@wp.pl> wrote:

>> I think that Halo 2 is better than Halo 1. They didn't really take out any
>> elements at all; just added new ones that, in my opinion, improved it.
> From MLG forum:
> "Why did you destroy the rifle, pistol, rocket, sniper, grenades, shield,
> HUD, warthog, tank, multiplayer maps, campaign, melees, & physics of the
> first game."
> "This isnt counter strike, o and the only thing about halo 2 i like is the
> campaign it was something new, the multiplayer is wack. It may take a lil
> bit of skill but not as much as the first one."
> "halo2 online is the only thing cool about the game."
> "exactly, the LAN aspect of Halo2 is no where near halo1. and LAN was the
> thing that probably kept this game going so long"
> "This game takes little skill. In Halo1, you could charge a room, that had
> 2+ enemies in it, and if you had a OV, or even sometimes not, you could kill
> all of them. Now its suicide to charge a room with more then 1 player in
> it... because stupid f*** noobs w/ Dual wields can spray you down... kthx im
> done whining.."
> " For my friends and I, we cannot play 4 man split screen anymore, and can
> barely play 2 man anymore. The reason? Its almost like you have tunnel
> vision. I absolutely cannot see anything."
> "find H2 to be more unbalanced. Its either grab sniper/sword. Another thing
> I noticed in H2, right after I spawned, I would grab the sniper or sword and
> go on a killing spree.. Its pretty much the only weapon I use. I find that
> H2 mainly has a spray and pray focus.. I also realized that after a while,
> the n00bs at the LAN and XBL got better fast, the learning curve is
> seriously 1 hour, 2 hours tops."
>
> I just wanna say: its all freakin true. H2 MP is horrible game ;//
>
> --
>
> http://pdt.xtina.pl/
>
>

I completely disagree with every single point made in here. I'm not just
being loyal to Bungie; this is my real opinion. Seriously, I see nothing in
this post I even remotely agree with. Halo 2 is, according to almost all
reviews, the best, or a contender for the best, multiplayer FPS ever.

FIL4 wrote:
> From MLG forum:
> "Why did you destroy the rifle, pistol, rocket, sniper, grenades, shield,
> HUD, warthog, tank, multiplayer maps, campaign, melees, & physics of the
> first game."
> "This isnt counter strike, o and the only thing about halo 2 i like is the
> campaign it was something new, the multiplayer is wack. It may take a lil
> bit of skill but not as much as the first one."

Has it occured to you that the old halo 1 skill can be transferred to
Halo2? The only new thing i had to constantly think about was to dual
wield or not, and what to dual wield. But to say that the Halo needs
less skill is not exactly fair.

> "This game takes little skill. In Halo1, you could charge a room, that had
> 2+ enemies in it, and if you had a OV, or even sometimes not, you could kill
> all of them. Now its suicide to charge a room with more then 1 player in
> it... because stupid f*** noobs w/ Dual wields can spray you down... kthx im
> done whining.."

That just teaches you to charge a room is a bad idea.... In real life
its a bad idea. If you were SWAT and you knew some guy in there has an
automatic you would definitely not charge in there and try to kill him.
In real life it is suicide. It takes better skill than to charge in.

And how does skill come into the factor in this post? Halo 1 I charge
and kill everybody, Halo 2 Bungie made it so I can't charge and kill
everybody cuz I can't spray and pray like the f*** noob.

> " For my friends and I, we cannot play 4 man split screen anymore, and can
> barely play 2 man anymore. The reason? Its almost like you have tunnel
> vision. I absolutely cannot see anything."

Have you tried wearing a helmet? It takes out your peripheral vison like
you got blinders on. If you want to simulate, grab a pair of low end
ski goggles and put them on.

> "find H2 to be more unbalanced. Its either grab sniper/sword. Another thing
> I noticed in H2, right after I spawned, I would grab the sniper or sword and
> go on a killing spree.. Its pretty much the only weapon I use. I find that
> H2 mainly has a spray and pray focus.. I also realized that after a while,
> the n00bs at the LAN and XBL got better fast, the learning curve is
> seriously 1 hour, 2 hours tops."

SO this guy feels robbed because it took him longer to learn on Halo 1
than for noobs to learn on Halo 2. What kind of attitude is that? You
can only get better playing with better players. If I met this guy I'll
tell him: "SNIPING NOOBS DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOOD, IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE
BETTER THAN THE NOOBS. COME BACK WHEN YOU TELL ME YOU CAN BEAT A
SEASONED VETERAN JUST WITH A SWORD."
>
> I just wanna say: its all freakin true. H2 MP is horrible game ;//
>
> --
>
> http://pdt.xtina.pl/
>
>

-stu

nice quotes

do you care to share your own personal opinions on the game?

Not only do you need less skill but machine gun fire gets old fast. The
skill of head shots with the pistol and the devastating effects of the melee
attack in Halo 1 is what made it unique. Both have been almost completely
removed.

True, as you continue to play you get better at halo 2 so it does require
some skill its just that again spraying gun fire is boring. When you find
out this is what it takes to win you don't want to play as much.

Also the alien weapons sucked in multiplayer Halo 1 and it was the human
weapons that made the game. Why would they change the human weapons to be
more alien like and add more alien weapons. One thing that stands out more
then anything is that they removed the zoom from the hand gun, which has to
be the biggest dissapointment. It doesn't make sense to me.

I still play the game but I would have to agree that even know the detail of
the graphics improved in h2 the game play in halo 1 is so much better.



"Waco Paco" <wacopaco@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
news:1101875919.456864@www.vif.com...
> FIL4 wrote:
>> From MLG forum:
>> "Why did you destroy the rifle, pistol, rocket, sniper, grenades,
>> shield, HUD, warthog, tank, multiplayer maps, campaign, melees, & physics
>> of the first game."
>> "This isnt counter strike, o and the only thing about halo 2 i like is
>> the campaign it was something new, the multiplayer is wack. It may take a
>> lil bit of skill but not as much as the first one."
>
> Has it occured to you that the old halo 1 skill can be transferred to
> Halo2? The only new thing i had to constantly think about was to dual
> wield or not, and what to dual wield. But to say that the Halo needs less
> skill is not exactly fair.
>
>> "This game takes little skill. In Halo1, you could charge a room, that
>> had 2+ enemies in it, and if you had a OV, or even sometimes not, you
>> could kill all of them. Now its suicide to charge a room with more then 1
>> player in it... because stupid f*** noobs w/ Dual wields can spray you
>> down... kthx im done whining.."
>
> That just teaches you to charge a room is a bad idea.... In real life its
> a bad idea. If you were SWAT and you knew some guy in there has an
> automatic you would definitely not charge in there and try to kill him. In
> real life it is suicide. It takes better skill than to charge in.
>
> And how does skill come into the factor in this post? Halo 1 I charge and
> kill everybody, Halo 2 Bungie made it so I can't charge and kill everybody
> cuz I can't spray and pray like the f*** noob.
>
>> " For my friends and I, we cannot play 4 man split screen anymore, and
>> can barely play 2 man anymore. The reason? Its almost like you have
>> tunnel vision. I absolutely cannot see anything."
>
> Have you tried wearing a helmet? It takes out your peripheral vison like
> you got blinders on. If you want to simulate, grab a pair of low end ski
> goggles and put them on.
>
>> "find H2 to be more unbalanced. Its either grab sniper/sword. Another
>> thing I noticed in H2, right after I spawned, I would grab the sniper or
>> sword and go on a killing spree.. Its pretty much the only weapon I use.
>> I find that H2 mainly has a spray and pray focus.. I also realized that
>> after a while, the n00bs at the LAN and XBL got better fast, the learning
>> curve is seriously 1 hour, 2 hours tops."
>
> SO this guy feels robbed because it took him longer to learn on Halo 1
> than for noobs to learn on Halo 2. What kind of attitude is that? You can
> only get better playing with better players. If I met this guy I'll tell
> him: "SNIPING NOOBS DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOOD, IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE BETTER
> THAN THE NOOBS. COME BACK WHEN YOU TELL ME YOU CAN BEAT A SEASONED VETERAN
> JUST WITH A SWORD."
>>
>> I just wanna say: its all freakin true. H2 MP is horrible game ;//
>>
>> --
>>
>> http://pdt.xtina.pl/
>
> -stu

Right...I ALWAYS zoom in with my real life hand-gun! Come on people, the
handgun in H1 was WAY to powerful and not realistic at all. Toning down
that gun was a good move IMHO.

Rob
"Bill" <msgdev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
newsjF0JZ71EHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Not only do you need less skill but machine gun fire gets old fast. The
> skill of head shots with the pistol and the devastating effects of the
> melee attack in Halo 1 is what made it unique. Both have been almost
> completely removed.
>
> True, as you continue to play you get better at halo 2 so it does require
> some skill its just that again spraying gun fire is boring. When you find
> out this is what it takes to win you don't want to play as much.
>
> Also the alien weapons sucked in multiplayer Halo 1 and it was the human
> weapons that made the game. Why would they change the human weapons to be
> more alien like and add more alien weapons. One thing that stands out
> more then anything is that they removed the zoom from the hand gun, which
> has to be the biggest dissapointment. It doesn't make sense to me.
>
> I still play the game but I would have to agree that even know the detail
> of the graphics improved in h2 the game play in halo 1 is so much better.
>
>
>
> "Waco Paco" <wacopaco@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
> news:1101875919.456864@www.vif.com...
>> FIL4 wrote:
>>> From MLG forum:
>>> "Why did you destroy the rifle, pistol, rocket, sniper, grenades,
>>> shield, HUD, warthog, tank, multiplayer maps, campaign, melees, &
>>> physics of the first game."
>>> "This isnt counter strike, o and the only thing about halo 2 i like is
>>> the campaign it was something new, the multiplayer is wack. It may take
>>> a lil bit of skill but not as much as the first one."
>>
>> Has it occured to you that the old halo 1 skill can be transferred to
>> Halo2? The only new thing i had to constantly think about was to dual
>> wield or not, and what to dual wield. But to say that the Halo needs less
>> skill is not exactly fair.
>>
>>> "This game takes little skill. In Halo1, you could charge a room, that
>>> had 2+ enemies in it, and if you had a OV, or even sometimes not, you
>>> could kill all of them. Now its suicide to charge a room with more then
>>> 1 player in it... because stupid f*** noobs w/ Dual wields can spray you
>>> down... kthx im done whining.."
>>
>> That just teaches you to charge a room is a bad idea.... In real life its
>> a bad idea. If you were SWAT and you knew some guy in there has an
>> automatic you would definitely not charge in there and try to kill him.
>> In real life it is suicide. It takes better skill than to charge in.
>>
>> And how does skill come into the factor in this post? Halo 1 I charge and
>> kill everybody, Halo 2 Bungie made it so I can't charge and kill
>> everybody cuz I can't spray and pray like the f*** noob.
>>
>>> " For my friends and I, we cannot play 4 man split screen anymore, and
>>> can barely play 2 man anymore. The reason? Its almost like you have
>>> tunnel vision. I absolutely cannot see anything."
>>
>> Have you tried wearing a helmet? It takes out your peripheral vison like
>> you got blinders on. If you want to simulate, grab a pair of low end ski
>> goggles and put them on.
>>
>>> "find H2 to be more unbalanced. Its either grab sniper/sword. Another
>>> thing I noticed in H2, right after I spawned, I would grab the sniper or
>>> sword and go on a killing spree.. Its pretty much the only weapon I use.
>>> I find that H2 mainly has a spray and pray focus.. I also realized that
>>> after a while, the n00bs at the LAN and XBL got better fast, the
>>> learning curve is seriously 1 hour, 2 hours tops."
>>
>> SO this guy feels robbed because it took him longer to learn on Halo 1
>> than for noobs to learn on Halo 2. What kind of attitude is that? You can
>> only get better playing with better players. If I met this guy I'll tell
>> him: "SNIPING NOOBS DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOOD, IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE BETTER
>> THAN THE NOOBS. COME BACK WHEN YOU TELL ME YOU CAN BEAT A SEASONED
>> VETERAN JUST WITH A SWORD."
>>>
>>> I just wanna say: its all freakin true. H2 MP is horrible game ;//
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> http://pdt.xtina.pl/
>>
>> -stu
>
>

Your right the alien guns are much more realistic. All I have to say is
spraying gun fire is not fun and does not take any skill. The only people
who don't like the hand gun in h1 are people that were not any good using
it.

Bill
"Rob" <rob2002@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23WoC4c71EHA.3392@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Right...I ALWAYS zoom in with my real life hand-gun! Come on people, the
> handgun in H1 was WAY to powerful and not realistic at all. Toning down
> that gun was a good move IMHO.
>
> Rob
> "Bill" <msgdev@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> newsjF0JZ71EHA.2112@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>> Not only do you need less skill but machine gun fire gets old fast. The
>> skill of head shots with the pistol and the devastating effects of the
>> melee attack in Halo 1 is what made it unique. Both have been almost
>> completely removed.
>>
>> True, as you continue to play you get better at halo 2 so it does require
>> some skill its just that again spraying gun fire is boring. When you
>> find out this is what it takes to win you don't want to play as much.
>>
>> Also the alien weapons sucked in multiplayer Halo 1 and it was the human
>> weapons that made the game. Why would they change the human weapons to
>> be more alien like and add more alien weapons. One thing that stands
>> out more then anything is that they removed the zoom from the hand gun,
>> which has to be the biggest dissapointment. It doesn't make sense to me.
>>
>> I still play the game but I would have to agree that even know the detail
>> of the graphics improved in h2 the game play in halo 1 is so much better.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Waco Paco" <wacopaco@emailaccount.com> wrote in message
>> news:1101875919.456864@www.vif.com...
>>> FIL4 wrote:
>>>> From MLG forum:
>>>> "Why did you destroy the rifle, pistol, rocket, sniper, grenades,
>>>> shield, HUD, warthog, tank, multiplayer maps, campaign, melees, &
>>>> physics of the first game."
>>>> "This isnt counter strike, o and the only thing about halo 2 i like is
>>>> the campaign it was something new, the multiplayer is wack. It may take
>>>> a lil bit of skill but not as much as the first one."
>>>
>>> Has it occured to you that the old halo 1 skill can be transferred to
>>> Halo2? The only new thing i had to constantly think about was to dual
>>> wield or not, and what to dual wield. But to say that the Halo needs
>>> less skill is not exactly fair.
>>>
>>>> "This game takes little skill. In Halo1, you could charge a room, that
>>>> had 2+ enemies in it, and if you had a OV, or even sometimes not, you
>>>> could kill all of them. Now its suicide to charge a room with more then
>>>> 1 player in it... because stupid f*** noobs w/ Dual wields can spray
>>>> you down... kthx im done whining.."
>>>
>>> That just teaches you to charge a room is a bad idea.... In real life
>>> its a bad idea. If you were SWAT and you knew some guy in there has an
>>> automatic you would definitely not charge in there and try to kill him.
>>> In real life it is suicide. It takes better skill than to charge in.
>>>
>>> And how does skill come into the factor in this post? Halo 1 I charge
>>> and kill everybody, Halo 2 Bungie made it so I can't charge and kill
>>> everybody cuz I can't spray and pray like the f*** noob.
>>>
>>>> " For my friends and I, we cannot play 4 man split screen anymore, and
>>>> can barely play 2 man anymore. The reason? Its almost like you have
>>>> tunnel vision. I absolutely cannot see anything."
>>>
>>> Have you tried wearing a helmet? It takes out your peripheral vison like
>>> you got blinders on. If you want to simulate, grab a pair of low end ski
>>> goggles and put them on.
>>>
>>>> "find H2 to be more unbalanced. Its either grab sniper/sword. Another
>>>> thing I noticed in H2, right after I spawned, I would grab the sniper
>>>> or sword and go on a killing spree.. Its pretty much the only weapon I
>>>> use. I find that H2 mainly has a spray and pray focus.. I also realized
>>>> that after a while, the n00bs at the LAN and XBL got better fast, the
>>>> learning curve is seriously 1 hour, 2 hours tops."
>>>
>>> SO this guy feels robbed because it took him longer to learn on Halo 1
>>> than for noobs to learn on Halo 2. What kind of attitude is that? You
>>> can only get better playing with better players. If I met this guy I'll
>>> tell him: "SNIPING NOOBS DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GOOD, IT JUST MEANS YOU'RE
>>> BETTER THAN THE NOOBS. COME BACK WHEN YOU TELL ME YOU CAN BEAT A
>>> SEASONED VETERAN JUST WITH A SWORD."
>>>>
>>>> I just wanna say: its all freakin true. H2 MP is horrible game ;//
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> http://pdt.xtina.pl/
>>>
>>> -stu
>>
>>
>
>

Bill wrote:
> Your right the alien guns are much more realistic. All I have to say
> is spraying gun fire is not fun and does not take any skill. The
> only people who don't like the hand gun in h1 are people that were
> not any good using it.

The alien guns can be anything the designers wanted. The point is one of
balance and the handgun was too powerful. Maybe I'm missing something
because I never played Halo MP but I'm absolutely glued to H2 MP. It's a
game of incredible depth. Yes dual-wielding leads to fast deadly firefights
but it's incredibly satisfying when you come out of them alive and are on a
spree through good use of your environment and precise reflexes.
No one ever has the upper hand since there are always multiple angles of
attack and innumerable ways of working together to take down a foe. Don't
like swordplay? Well work together to take down that guy and then use the
sword yourself. Even with the sword you simply can't rely on it to get
guaranteed kills. Good shooting will stop a sword-wielder as I have found
to my cost.

The bottom line is, Bungie have made an extremely *fun* game. Other
developers are welcome to try to raise the bar if they can but I'm pretty
sure it's not that easy else we'd all be playing the "perfect* FPS.

"Churlish" is how I would describe some of the negative reactions here. And
for gawd's sake a petition?! Halo 1.5 isn't going to happen.