Ouch A real life real live WhoDunnit?

domainp
Cool Newbie

Ouch.com (for sell or reselling)
Hi. I think that i've got a premium domain name "Ouch.com".
I'm offering a good deal, waiting for your prices.
If you can help with selling, we can share the profit. Just need some1 to help my first domain sell
good.

08-04-2003 11:57 PM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

Price range?

08-05-2003 12:07 AM




URL T
DNF Addict

To get us started $100, name deserves, and probably will go for much more. Welcome by the way

Rob

08-05-2003 12:12 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

I don't think this is an auction is it?...but I'll go to $2,500.

08-05-2003 12:14 AM




URL T
DNF Addict

Not sure if your selling or just looking for a bit of advise? if your selling fine, if your not
you're in the wrong forum.

Also is that a letter 'o' or number '0'

Thanks
Rob

08-05-2003 12:16 AM




jh3
Domain Whiz

It is an "o", just copy and paste it then match it up.

Nice offer by the way Ken.

08-05-2003 12:21 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Yes, I'm selling this domain name.
TopNames: so your price is $2500 for now if you buy it?

08-05-2003 12:38 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

quote:
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Originally posted by domainp
Yes, I'm selling this domain name.
TopNames: so your price is $2500 for now if you buy it?
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If the domain is "ouch" and not "0uch" I'll buy now for $2,500.

08-05-2003 12:47 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Yes, the domain is actually ouch.com
I'll go with you for $3'000 if you'd like right now.

08-05-2003 12:51 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

OK as long as the escrow fees are included...start the escrow.com transaction and use email

08-05-2003 12:54 AM




mud
Guru

Wow! Nice Sale (fast too!)

08-05-2003 12:56 AM




URL T
DNF Addict

Congrats!

Nice! not bad for a first sale, my first sale was $12

08-05-2003 12:56 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

This sell is not completed yet. Discussing details. Will notify everyone soon

08-05-2003 01:04 AM




linkdomain
DNF Addict

sweet

08-05-2003 01:05 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Can you transfer this word into the amount you can offer right now?

08-05-2003 01:09 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

quote:
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Originally posted by domainp
Can you transfer this word into the amount you can offer right now?
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huh??

08-05-2003 01:12 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

Offer withdrawn due to terms.

Good luck with your sale.

08-05-2003 01:14 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Topnames: please reply your PM

08-05-2003 01:14 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

I did...There is no way I'm sending $3,000 via Western Union.

Good luck with your sale.

08-05-2003 01:15 AM




LewR
DNF Addict

Strange play by a new face...

08-05-2003 01:22 AM



TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

PM sent again regarding terms

08-05-2003 01:22 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

** sale pending again **

08-05-2003 01:30 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

offer withdrawn


Last edited by TopNames.com on 08-05-2003 at 02:00 AM

08-05-2003 01:55 AM




Unregistered
Domain Whiz

huh what's going on?

08-05-2003 01:56 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

I spoke with him on the phone and he seems like a nice guy, but we could not agree on terms.

I wish him the best with his sale.

08-05-2003 01:59 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Thanks for "nice guy" to topnames, but it seems that he didn't agree my terms. Still open, $3k at
the moment.

08-05-2003 02:04 AM




NameGuy
Domain Whiz

Ouch!

(sorry - seemed appropriate)


08-05-2003 02:04 AM




NicBid.com
Cool Newbie

Topnames - Good move, you'd be mad, infact you'd be crazy to pay via WU

There are some crazy requests out there.....

I'm sure i see " ouch.com " for sale on ebay for $35k - it only dropped about a week ago.

I think newbie is probley not as new as he makes out to be in the domain world

08-05-2003 02:08 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

To his credit, he offered to transfer the domain before I made payment. I just wanted to research
proper ownership before I made payment.

08-05-2003 02:10 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

I've sent the confirmation messages, etc
And no, He's not crazy - I've got some problems with receiving escrow here in RUSSIA. That's why
I'm asking about WU.
If you're simply afraid of this domain/price - tell it the way it is.

08-05-2003 02:12 AM




NicBid.com
Cool Newbie

fair enough - I actually tried to get it at pool but no joy.

If he offered to transfer before receipt of monies then fair play also.

08-05-2003 02:15 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

Sorry, I thought you were speaking to me. I'll edit my post.

Good luck with your sale.

08-05-2003 02:22 AM




aguss
Cool Member

dont let a little misunderstanding ruins everything...

goodluck guys,
aguss

08-05-2003 02:24 AM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Any1 here knows Attilio? How fair he is?

08-05-2003 02:39 AM




domnet
DNF Addict

Can you share what kind of traffic the domain is generating?

08-05-2003 02:47 AM




opencg
Cool Member

im sure ouch gets nice traffic i'll take it hi everyone.

08-05-2003 02:50 AM




DomainMyName
Newbie

Re: Ouch.com (for sell or reselling)

quote:
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Originally posted by domainp
Just need some1 to help my first domain sell good.
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3-grand would have been quite a bounty for your "first" sale. And from my own experience, you'll
not find a classier, more reliable trader than TopNames.

Notwithstanding the complications of doing business from Russia, I suggest you retreat from your
position and find a way to make TopNames comfortable with YOU. He'd be nuts to do this deal via
Western Union.

You'll find escrow.com a simple, reliable transaction medium, in which funds can even be wired to
your bank. Don't blow it, domainp.

Scott
.... whose first RETAIL sale was a comparatively paltry $220.

08-05-2003 03:24 AM




Attilio

I will make this public so the seller might feel a bit more comfortable.

I bought ouch.com.

The seller accepted to transfer the domain on advance.

I will complete WU payment as soon as possible tomorrow morning and in the unfortunate case I would
not be able to do so
(is first time I pay by this way and I am uncertain about their policies here in Mexi) I will
immediately push back the domain to the seller.

At this point I have no reason to doubt about the good faith of the seller as he trusted me and as
all we know the domain dropped just few days ago.

Thanks,

08-05-2003 05:17 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

Congrats to both of you. I'm glad it worked out in the end.

08-05-2003 05:20 AM




Attilio

Well,

I did some quick research and I have some doubts now:

on a post about ouch.com on the expring forum I read:

< Godaddy got ouch.com!
Who was the lucky guy?
AmericasBestDomains.com
430 e packwood ave d102
Maitland, FL 32751 US
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: OUCH.COM
Created on: 24-Jul-03
Expires on: 24-Jul-04
Last Updated on: 24-Jul-03
Administrative Contact:
Goldberg, Allen opportunitymagic at aol.com
>

In addition someone with ID opportunitymagic was offering ouch.com on ebay, auction ended yesterday
at over 4.5k but reserve not met, and on the auction is stated the seller was from Florida.

Domainp, you are from Russia and your name is not Allen Glodberg.

Domainp, would you kindly make things clear to me:

1) Was you selling the domain on Ebay with id opportunitymagic?

2) Is/was the whois I showed above and posted here same or following day after ouch.com dropped
correct?
and if yes who is Allen Goldberg? Do you know him?

I am willing to honor the deal but I want to have absolutely clear the history of the domain.

Thanks,

Attilio

08-05-2003 06:05 AM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

I had emailed back and forth with Allen last week and told him how to put up a free "add free
stats" counter to track the unique visitors (this was the info I wanted). I also thought it may
help with his auction.

At any rate I suggest emailing him as he did put the counter up within a couple of hours.

You have Allens email so I suggest dropping him a line.

Good luck and hope everything is on the up and up.

08-05-2003 06:14 AM




Attilio

You say that you know that this Allen was the owner of ouch.com?

The owner i am buying it from gave me other name and he told me to be from Russia.

I emailed opportunitymagic at aol.com

is this the correct email of Allen?

Do you know if eventually he might have sold the domain to the person who is selling it to me?

Thanks,

08-05-2003 06:19 AM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

I emailed Allen.
Also I can't see why the "new" seller would pay $4500 or there abouts and then sell it for 3k?

I don't have proof the guy who I spoke with is definitely the owner however a short time after I
told hime to put up "add free stats" he emailed and sure enough "add free stats" was up and running
at ouch.com.

On the flip side. The site is completely different then when he put up the counter and the email
address is domain_p at yahoo.com so this is atough one to figure out.

Again hope it is on the up and up!

John

08-05-2003 06:52 AM




Find A Date
Newbie

On eBay for sale now, Tuesday 2:16 AM EST

Ouch.com

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=11153

08-05-2003 07:17 AM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

Crazy stuff! Allen sold it for $7500 and I just saw the cancelled echeck in his account.
Also he sent me the confirmation email he received from godaddy upon winning ouch.com...

So will the real owner of ouch.com please stand up!!!

08-05-2003 07:31 AM




aguss
Cool Member

where is moderator? helps needed here...

08-05-2003 07:41 AM




Attilio

I want to make this public:

1) I will not pay nor give back the domain to the person who is selling it to me known here as
member domainp until all what relating with the ownership of Ouch.com and whit is sale history will
be 100% clear.

2) I will give back the domain to the legitimate owner
(or pay him the $3000 sale price if he prefers and agrees) as soon as it will be 100% clear who
he/she is.


Thanks,

08-05-2003 07:46 AM




Bob
Patience Young Jedi!

Soooooooooo,

Allen won Ouch.com through Godaddy then sold it to DomainP ?

Perhaps the WHOIS INFO has not been updated yet.

Moderator Note: This thread will stay open. Although the situatiuon is curious, no foul play has
been proven yet as has been suggested via PM. Work the details through. I am sure (hope) it is a
misunderstanding somewhere.

-Bob

08-05-2003 07:48 AM




kidkool
le voleur!

quote:
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Originally posted by Bob
Soooooooooo,

Allen won Ouch.com through Godaddy then sold it to DomainP ?

Perhaps the WHOIS INFO has not been updated yet.

Moderator Note: This thread will stay open. Although the situatiuon is curious, no foul play has
been proven yet as has been suggested via PM. Work the details through. I am sure (hope) it is a
misunderstanding somewhere.

-Bob
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The whois info indicates that attilio is now in possession of the domain, so domainp did at least
have control of it.

As for how it got from a to b to c remains somewhat of a mystery.

08-05-2003 07:57 AM




opportunitymagic
Newbie

OUCH.COM, the true owner is me
HI folks, I was the victim of a scam..I got OUCH.com from a godaddy backorder and on august 3rd i
sold it to someone in kentucky, he scammed me out of the money and cancelled his echeck. I am in
the process working with the person who has the name in his account and hope that the proof that I
have and will provide him will allow him to transfer the name back to me, he is a very
understanding person. so if there is a domain on ebay for ouch . com, don't bid on it. Thank you
Allen Goldberg

08-05-2003 08:16 AM




Beachie
I see dumb people.

Re: OUCH.COM, the true owner is me

quote:
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Originally posted by opportunitymagic
HI folks, I was the victim of a scam..I got OUCH.com from a godaddy backorder and on august 3rd i
sold it to someone in kentucky, he scammed me out of the money and cancelled his echeck.
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Ouch

08-05-2003 08:25 AM




Attilio

1) Allen Goldberg states and provided proff he won the domain with Godaddy.

2) Allen also provided proof that the person who bought the domain from him called (or callling
himself) Everett Wan after getting the domain cancelled his Echeck payment.

3) What happened after that and how Domainp got control of the domain is still unclear to me.

4) I invite domainp to post here his version of the facts, in particular how he got possesion of
the domain.

5) I confirm that in any case I will give back the domain to the legitimate owner or pay him the
sale price of $3000 if he prefers so, as soon as I will have clear who the legitimate owner is.

Thanks,

08-05-2003 08:25 AM




opportunitymagic
Newbie

By the way, I have no idea who domainp is and who the person that has the auction on ebay is

08-05-2003 08:45 AM




opportunitymagic
Newbie

The original auction was me. here was the link to the real auction that I closed when I thought
the sale was made

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=2744433036

08-05-2003 08:47 AM




TopNames.com
It's All In The Name

I noticed last night that the new eBay auction for ouch.com had a different email address than the
whois info and that it had not been used in 2 1/2 years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=11153

I'm glad I trusted my gut and resisted the tempation to buy this domain and I'm glad I suggested
Attilio be careful.

What a mess...

08-05-2003 11:49 AM




kidkool
le voleur!

Re: OUCH.COM, the true owner is me

quote:
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Originally posted by opportunitymagic
HI folks, I was the victim of a scam..I got OUCH.com from a godaddy backorder and on august 3rd i
sold it to someone in kentucky, he scammed me out of the money and cancelled his echeck. I am in
the process working with the person who has the name in his account and hope that the proof that I
have and will provide him will allow him to transfer the name back to me, he is a very
understanding person. so if there is a domain on ebay for ouch . com, don't bid on it. Thank you
Allen Goldberg
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I have just one question.. Why on Earth did you transfer the name to him before the eCheck cleared?
I would not have done that in a million years.

08-05-2003 11:53 AM




Beachie
I see dumb people.

quote:
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Originally posted by TopNames.com
I noticed last night that the new eBay auction for ouch.com had a different email address than the
whois info and that it had not been used in 2 1/2 years.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...&category=11153
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Let's crank the bid up to $10,000,000 and make the scammer pay some eBay fees.

08-05-2003 12:09 PM




NameGuy
Domain Whiz

I would say domainp is the ebay seller since the reserve is met, coincidentally, at his $3000
price and was only listed about 12 hours ago.

08-05-2003 12:51 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

he is def the seller, at the bottom it states...

Contact via E-mail: Domain_p at Yahoo.Com

08-05-2003 01:07 PM




Mr Webname
Oldbie

quote:
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Originally posted by Attilio
1) Allen Goldberg states and provided proff he won the domain with Godaddy.

2) Allen also provided proof that the person who bought the domain from him called (or callling
himself) Everett Wan after getting the domain cancelled his Echeck payment.

3) What happened after that and how Domainp got control of the domain is still unclear to me.

4) I invite domainp to post here his version of the facts, in particular how he got possesion of
the domain.

5) I confirm that in any case I will give back the domain to the legitimate owner or pay him the
sale price of $3000 if he prefers so, as soon as I will have clear who the legitimate owner is.

Thanks,
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Attilio, you are doing right to hold the domain until the matter is resolved - don't be tempted
into passing it back for possible misuse with someone else.
When something similar happened to me I passed the matter to my local Police Internet Crime Unit
and they are pursuing matters with a view to action against the domain thief.
What has happened to you is the same as if someone was selling you a stolen car.
I still have the domains 4 months on, awaiting the outcome of police action.

08-05-2003 01:40 PM


.com.net.org
Domain Whiz

ouch

08-05-2003 02:36 PM




LewR
DNF Addict

Somehow, more info to ID the scam artist needs to be gathered so that this guy can be locked up
for internet fraud, a growing crime that is being pursued by the Feds at this time.

Another reason to look before you leap. Doing business with reputable people is very important.

08-05-2003 03:15 PM




opencg
Cool Member

the guy called me yesterday nite he wanted me to western union him the cash and he said he would
change ownership first so i thought maye it would be cool to do biz with him but now what i hear
makes wonder! i even placed a bid on ebay i saw the name there.

08-05-2003 03:18 PM




izopod
Anywhere.biz

Hope everything works out for all parties. I think in light of what's transpired here, I think it
would be helpful to start a "fraud forum" on DNF. It's increasing by the day, and would act as a
public service to our members.

izopodian philsophy: Your only protection against fraud is to always ask yourself this: "Why would
anyone you don't know personally, try to make a deal so sweet".

08-05-2003 03:49 PM




DomainMyName
Newbie

Domain fraud may be rampant, but real-time threads like this one likely do more to heighten
awareness of the problem than any agency of government will likely do to halt it.

Scott

08-05-2003 04:00 PM




Duke
DNJournal.com

The rightful owner is extremely lucky that the domain now sits with someone honest like Attilio.
He has a good chance of reclaiming his property thanks to that stroke of good fortune.

08-05-2003 04:11 PM




opportunitymagic
Newbie

Just an update: I just received a call from PayPal in regards to the 7500.00 transaction that was
cancelled. I explained to them what had happened (I spoke with Christine in PayPal). I gave her my
original auction number for reference and told her that It is on auction again and not by Attilio,
who has it in his GoDaddy account. I asked how could someone sell something that they did not own.
I am still looking for replies from DomainP on the forum. This really stinks. I will be back online
at about 1:15 am eastern time.

08-05-2003 04:11 PM




DomainMyName
Newbie

Allen ... I can't shake the feeling that this saga is going to have a just and happy ending. So
far, so good. Stay calm.

Scott

08-05-2003 04:19 PM




izopod
Anywhere.biz

quote:
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Originally posted by Duke
The rightful owner is extremely lucky that the domain now sits with someone honest like Attilio. He
has a good chance of reclaiming his property thanks to that stroke of good fortune.
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Something is still not right here.

Why would the original poster of this thread come on DNF of all things to try to peddle this name,
when the previous owner who "lost" $7500 might see it. Why not peddle it directly to a company not
involved in the domain world, that might just do a western union.

I'm sorry but that name is not worth that much. I've seen a few appraisals on here, and elsewhere
(Webhostingtalk), and this name didn't even come close to that amount.

To many "newbies" involved here...

08-05-2003 04:25 PM




SirAlexFerguson
BORN TO BE A HERO!

3) What happened after that and how Domainp got control of the domain is still unclear to me.

I think it is clear to me. This russian guy (domain pimp) is the kentuky guy (actually living in
USA in somewhere) who tried to buy the domain from Allen through Ebay and sent him a bad payment.

And the fatal mistake of Allen transferring domain before payment to an unknown person lets Domain
pimp to get control of domain.

While Allen was waiting his payment to come to his PayPal account, Domain pimp tried to dup someone
as much as possible, selling a $4500 name to Attilio for $3000.

The best thing is Attilio did not make the WU payment.

Actually I noticed there is something missing after the first post of topnames since he said he
talked to guy. The Pimp stated in his first post that he lives in Russia. You can not call russia
and call someone there without paying 100 bucks for 5 minutes they dont have proper telekom
infrastructure. So nobody call a guy in russia for business.

Anyway, what a mess!

08-05-2003 04:44 PM




izopod
Anywhere.biz

quote:
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Originally posted by SirAlexFerguson

And the fatal mistake of Allen transferring domain before payment to an unknown person lets Domain
pimp to get control of domain.

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This is what is "strange" about the whole deal. Moreso than the "Russia" guy trying to "pimp"
Quch.com on a popular "Domain" forum.

btw: What is up with the Platinum memberships as of Aug 03. One is a "good" guy and the other is a
"bad" guy??? Is this the "Good cop/bad cop" routine being played out here? Can anyone personally
vouch for Allen? And don't say that you talked with them on the phone, and they sounded nice. We
need actually bonafide proof. This way Attilo can make a sound determination on what to do with
this domain.

08-05-2003 04:53 PM




izopod
Anywhere.biz

... and another thing... How did Godaddy.com manage to get Ouch.com in the first place? This is
really starting to get interesting...

08-05-2003 04:53 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

Has anyone thought to contact EBay? Whomever mgo13lue at mindspring.com (US resident with 1
feedback after 2 1/2 years on EBay) is only putting the name on auction for domainp which means
that he/she has extensive knowledge as to the identity of domainp. Ebay can definitely find out
more about this especially for authorities. The high bidder opencd is more than likely a shield
bidder.

Escrow definitley rocks!

08-05-2003 05:09 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
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Originally posted by izopod


Something is still not right here.

Why would the original poster of this thread come on DNF of all things to try to peddle this name,
when the previous owner who "lost" $7500 might see it. Why not peddle it directly to a company not
involved in the domain world, that might just do a western union.

I'm sorry but that name is not worth that much. I've seen a few appraisals on here, and elsewhere
(Webhostingtalk), and this name didn't even come close to that amount.

To many "newbies" involved here...
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I received an email offer stating that the domain was back up for sale on ebay and that I should
email an offer to a hotmail account. This obviously threw up a red flag.

Since all parties involved, other than attillo are brand new members of the forum they probably
didn't realize how fast the word would spread and figured they'd have a deal done before anyone was
the wiser.

08-05-2003 05:14 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
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Originally posted by SirAlexFerguson
3) What happened after that and how Domainp got control of the domain is still unclear to me.

I think it is clear to me. This russian guy (domain pimp) is the kentuky guy (actually living in
USA in somewhere) who tried to buy the domain from Allen through Ebay and sent him a bad payment.

And the fatal mistake of Allen transferring domain before payment to an unknown person lets Domain
pimp to get control of domain.

While Allen was waiting his payment to come to his PayPal account, Domain pimp tried to dup someone
as much as possible, selling a $4500 name to Attilio for $3000.

The best thing is Attilio did not make the WU payment.

Actually I noticed there is something missing after the first post of topnames since he said he
talked to guy. The Pimp stated in his first post that he lives in Russia. You can not call russia
and call someone there without paying 100 bucks for 5 minutes they dont have proper telekom
infrastructure. So nobody call a guy in russia for business.

Anyway, what a mess!
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SAF, I think you're right on the money.

Due to the relatively large amount of the transaction ($7500) wouldn't this be a felony and worse
mail fraud?

To make things more strange I received an email asking me to email an offer to an email address
different to the ones posted here. Not surprisingly it was a hotmail account.

08-05-2003 05:15 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
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Originally posted by fmmp
Has anyone thought to contact EBay? Whomever mgo13lue at mindspring.com (US resident with 1
feedback after 2 1/2 years on EBay) is only putting the name on auction for domainp which means
that he/she has extensive knowledge as to the identity of domainp. Ebay can definitely find out
more about this especially for authorities. The high bidder opencd is more than likely a shield
bidder.

Escrow definitley rocks!
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According to Allens post he contacted Paypal and ebay.

08-05-2003 05:16 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
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Originally posted by izopod


This is what is "strange" about the whole deal. Moreso than the "Russia" guy trying to "pimp"
Quch.com on a popular "Domain" forum.

btw: What is up with the Platinum memberships as of Aug 03. One is a "good" guy and the other is a
"bad" guy??? Is this the "Good cop/bad cop" routine being played out here? Can anyone personally
vouch for Allen? And don't say that you talked with them on the phone, and they sounded nice. We
need actually bonafide proof. This way Attilo can make a sound determination on what to do with
this domain.
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I actually told Allen about this forum and told him to join so he could post here and follow this
thread. I felt it was important that he make his case here among people who know this industry and
he agreed.

08-05-2003 05:27 PM




LewR
DNF Addict

quote:
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Originally posted by izopod


To many "newbies" involved here...
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Bada Bing - Take it to Joisey - we'll handle it ...

08-05-2003 06:03 PM




kvinsencius
Domain Whiz

What a mess! I can vouch for that Allen was the original owner. I contacted him less than an hour
after he got the name, and I did get a response for him.

Like some of you pointed out already, I have no doubt that this a big scheme. Someone was looking
to make a quick buck here. Luckily he came to the right place to do this

Hope it all works out for the best for both Allen and Attilo. The name is in good hands now at
least.

08-05-2003 07:09 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Hey guys, let me clarify.
First of all, the ebay auction was posted by my usa friend. The next point is that I got this
domain name from my friend living in USA - i've got a SIGNED CONTRACT with the seller
(OpportunityMagic) and buyer (Everett Wan). I've got a signed contract of domain transfer from Wan
to me. Anyone wants to see the documents?
The next point is that I don't understand where the matter of problem is. I legally got this domain
name, I've recently mailed godaddy and they replied that domain is TOTALLY yours (my buyer) and
that there are no actions that can stop your ownership. Does it mean that you've ripped me?

What else do you want to ask guys?

Awaiting a good answer

08-05-2003 07:18 PM



h3
Domain Whiz

We want to know why the check bounced to OpportunityMagic?

08-05-2003 07:27 PM




Abusiveelusive
DNF Addict

This all is VERY interesting. I am interested in how it will turn out.

08-05-2003 07:44 PM




Aplusmedia
DNF Addict

quote:
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Originally posted by domainp
Hey guys, let me clarify.
First of all, the ebay auction was posted by my usa friend. The next point is that I got this
domain name from my friend living in USA - i've got a SIGNED CONTRACT with the seller
(OpportunityMagic) and buyer (Everett Wan). I've got a signed contract of domain transfer from Wan
to me. Anyone wants to see the documents?
The next point is that I don't understand where the matter of problem is. I legally got this domain
name, I've recently mailed godaddy and they replied that domain is TOTALLY yours (my buyer) and
that there are no actions that can stop your ownership. Does it mean that you've ripped me?

What else do you want to ask guys?

Awaiting a good answer
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Well, you didnt pay for this domain. The seller didnt get any money for it, so its not "legally"
yours.

08-05-2003 07:48 PM




Name-Maker
It's all in the Name

OK... I'm lost, who married who's sister's cousin?

(Sorry, but a little levity was needed.)

08-05-2003 08:04 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Ok, trying to explain
I'll try to explain and give you some facts to think about:
1. I don't care that it was not legal, i got the domain from my friend from usa and my situating is
like your.
2. GoDaddy mailed me and told me that the official domain owner is the guy who owns the account
with domain. Why do I need to give the domain away if it's legally mine
3. I've got all contracts signed. I can scan and put the online tomorrow morning.

Any other questions guy? Please understand my position

08-05-2003 08:08 PM




FrontRow
Platinum Boo!

the plot thickens...

clearly somebody is lying. either domainp or opportunity magic.

there is also the possibility that someone is not who they say they are.

all the elements of a good soap opera.

08-05-2003 08:10 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

I don't want any soap operas here
I want you to trully tell you opinion on how we'll judge this domain name. I'm here, and I'll be
ready to answer for my words till the end cause I one part. Again and again, please read my
messages.

08-05-2003 08:14 PM




actnow
Domain Whiz

DomainP, The problem is that your friend may not had legal title (ownership) of the domain. Since
the original transfer ownership of the domain was based on a financial transfer that did not go
thru.

Therefore, the original contract may be void.

08-05-2003 08:18 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

May be, but I lost lots of time. And i'll be stating on my position

08-05-2003 08:25 PM




SirAlexFerguson
BORN TO BE A HERO!

You need to select your friends carefully next time! You do not have the legal ownership because
you or your friend did not pay the original owner.

Also can you explain how can you sell a name to Attilio for $3000 if you and your friend with a
contract bought it from Allen for $4500 (or $7500 I am not sure)?

08-05-2003 08:29 PM




Stocdoctor
Harley 100th Anniversary!

I'm writing to complain that all this hubbub about this situation is drawing the attention away
from my 3 letter .com auction. If it helps, I'm considering making up a ficticious name and selling
RMQ to myself and then listing it on ebay. Then I'm gonna buy it with another name and send myself
a bad check. Then I'm going to re-post my auction here using yet a different name as a newbie and
complain about the bounced check. Doc

08-05-2003 08:29 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Why do I need to suffer if the op-magic will get the domain name?

08-05-2003 08:29 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Stoctoctor: you're on my side?

08-05-2003 08:33 PM




opencg
Cool Member

im doing whois search i see you own it i dont give a damn i still buy it if there is problems in
the future i would just keep hard copies that i bought it from you for proof

08-05-2003 08:35 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

OPENCG: I CAN TRANSFER IT TO YOU RIGHT NOW
But my buyer (guy from mexico, Attelio) isn't giving it back to me!
Can you please help me?

08-05-2003 08:40 PM




opencg
Cool Member

email me rbeasley at nyc.rr.com

08-05-2003 08:44 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

How glad I am that Atillo isn't giving it back until all of this has been investigated. Can't wait
to see your scans domainp but then too anything can be forged.

Opencg is a member here I retract my shield bidding statement. I read his post but not the member
name. Sorry Opencg!

08-05-2003 08:45 PM




DomainMyName
Newbie

Re: Ok, trying to explain

quote:
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Originally posted by domainp
1. I don't care that it was not legal ...
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This pretty much sums it up.


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
... i got the domain from my friend from usa ...
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Does your friend have a name? Phone number? Address? Why don't you provide Attilio with that
information?

Of course, this question becomes rhetorical, when measured against your prior admission, "I don't
care that it was not legal ..."

08-05-2003 08:47 PM




domnet
DNF Addict

nm


Last edited by domnet on 08-05-2003 at 08:54 PM

08-05-2003 08:49 PM




AhmedF
Cool Newbie

So .. domainp says he doesnt care if its legal. Furthermore, he has not commented about his cheque
being cancelled - which means the previous owner did not get any of the money.

So what is there to doubt? Evidently domainp ripped the domain :/

08-05-2003 08:50 PM


Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

So you bought it from someone who fradulantly obtained it?
If your friend paid $7500 for it why are you selling it for $3000.
Why did your friend cancel the echeck?
Where is your friend located (address) as I am sure Allen would like to know so he can report it to
the Internet fraud division of the FBI?
How much did you pay your friend Mr. Wan for the domain name?
Do you have proof of payment?

There are a lot of questions which will need to be answered in order for Attillo to solve this
problem. He is in a tough spot as you can imagine. Once everything is sorted out and the evidence
is examined I am sure Attillo will make the proper decision.

Really the best place to start is Paypal and Ebay as their information will prove beyond a shadow
of a doubt who is telling the truth.

Good luck to all involved.

08-05-2003 08:50 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

I didn't rip anything. How can I know about a check if I wasn't paying for the domain name - my
friend did. It's his problems. I don't want to loose my domain name because of this

08-05-2003 08:53 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

What did you pay for the domain domainp? Have you contacted your friend to verify any of the info
you have received here? If you don't care about how your friend obtained the domain and any
legalities you obvious don't have any morals. Have you put yourself in the place in the original
owners shoes? That is if everyone is who they say they are and things have happened as posted.

08-05-2003 08:59 PM




gckorn
Cool Newbie

BFP
Okay, I'm a lawyer so I guess I should throw in my 2 cents.

One way to look at this is, who is the Bona Fide Purchaser for value (BFP). That is the person (if
any exists) who will keep this domain. (At least under the Restatement, not sure if any UDURP stuff
supercedes this.)

By BFP, I mean: who (1) paid money for the domain, (2) without knowledge of any deficiency in
title, i.e., without knowing that the seller really didn't own the domain. Thus, in a typical state
(Indiana): "The UCC does not define "voidable title." However, we have held that Ind.Code §
26-1-2-403 is consistent with Indiana's common law, which provided that "legal title passes to a
defrauding buyer. This title is not void; it is voidable, which means that when title gets into the
hands of a bona fide purchaser for value then he will prevail over the defrauded seller." Thus, a
"defrauding buyer" obtains voidable title. However, a thief obtains void title. See, e.g.,
McDonald's Chevrolet (holding that a renter who stole a motor home had void title, not voidable
title, and could not convey good title).

At this juncture, since words of caution can only really help vis-a-vis future events, I would
caution that NO ONE visiting this thread can reasonably claim to be a BFP for any future transfer.
Everyone here knows that there is an issue. Therefore, BFP status is pretty much negated. So at
least be careful going forward.

08-05-2003 09:00 PM




winfreecash
Domain Whiz

If you didn't pay anything and your friend did not pay anything, then you are out nothing!!

08-05-2003 09:00 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

See it is also your problem at this point because you received stolen property.

My question is how did you pay this Wan gentleman and how did it get transfered to you so quickly?

I am sure you have your receipt for the transaction from WU or whatever escrow or payment service
you used.

If what you are saying is true you were scammed by your friend. I suggest contacting him and asking
why he stopped payment on his echeck.

BTW, how much did you pay for the name?

08-05-2003 09:00 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

I doubt he was your friend. If you recieved a stolen car from your friend do you think you could
legally resell it to someone else? Hell no. Just because YOU didn't steal it doesn't mean it's not
stolen. You don't own this domain and you don't have the right to sell it.

08-05-2003 09:01 PM




LewR
DNF Addict

What an idiot - domainp is afraid of losing an illegally obtained domain - I too am glad attillo
has a hold on the domain until things are sorted out - at least the name will wind up with the
rightful owner.

Back when the name was first posted - there was a bad smell - and some of us recognized that smell.

The FBI should be brought into this NOW - and if no one knows how to report this properly, I will
make the move. The FBI now deals with international events as well.

08-05-2003 09:02 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Sorry guys, but I passed the domain to "opencg" and received money from him cause Atellio is not
doing it the way it needs to be if the judge is fair. Let OPENCG deal with this now cause he's the
owner

08-05-2003 09:07 PM




LewR
DNF Addict

The staff of DNF should have involved the authorities at this point - even if it is cleared up -
it would prove who is inteested in the right thing!!

08-05-2003 09:08 PM




opencg
Cool Member

i been negotiating with domainp for the purchase of the domain also its good for any buyer of a
domain to keep evidence thats why escrow.com exist that is hard proof that the domain was bought if
this is the case the problem will then come to the light sooner or later.

08-05-2003 09:09 PM




jberryhill
Philadelphia Lawyer

"One way to look at this is, who is the Bona Fide Purchaser for value (BFP). "

....if you assume that domain name transactions are within the scope of the UCC...

I don't have time to sort this thread out, so let me see if I followed the allegations correctly.

1. Party A had the domain name.

2. The domain name was bought by party B.

3. Party A alleges it was not paid by party B.

4. Party B's friend offered the domain name for sale here.

5. Party C agreed to buy it and has received transfer of the domain name.

6. Party C has not yet paid Party B's friend because of the allegation of Party A.

Is that where we are?

08-05-2003 09:10 PM




winfreecash
Domain Whiz

domainp you sold it to attilio, if it is proven you rightfully own it and can sell it..Attillio is
the owner. Why would opencg buy a domain so openly in dispute..this is WILD!!!

08-05-2003 09:11 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

OpenCG what have you gotten yourself into? It seems that domainp has gotten $$ for a domain name
he never owned. Also, someone will be filing a civil suit to have monies returned after this is
over.

08-05-2003 09:11 PM




LewR
DNF Addict

opencg - are you a part of the scam or the solution?

08-05-2003 09:13 PM




winfreecash
Domain Whiz

John, you have ABC all correct )

08-05-2003 09:14 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

OpenCG still doesn't have control over the domain - Attillo does.

jberryhill you have to read the entire thread to get the just of it! It's ashame that people can be
so gullible, stupid and money hungry.

08-05-2003 09:17 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

opencg has to be part of the scam. no one in their right mind would pay someone $3000 when that
person already gave the domain to someone else.

08-05-2003 09:18 PM




opencg
Cool Member

its all about solution topnames was negotiating first then i stepped in and never left if there is
a problem with the domain in the future i surely have hard evidence about the situation.

08-05-2003 09:18 PM




winfreecash
Domain Whiz

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by jh3
opencg has to be part of the scam. no one in their right mind would pay someone $3000 when that
person already gave the domain to someone else.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I agree Jason

08-05-2003 09:20 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

But will you receive your monies back opencg? Why would you risk not obtaining your monies back?

Tip: I view both tv shows of Judge Mathis or Judge Joe Brown. Let me know which you will be on

08-05-2003 09:20 PM




opencg
Cool Member

im not part of any scam im just a interested domain buyer if these guys scammed someone they will
be in trouble i dont have anything to do with that many people buy domains of course on the web and
domainp is new so we never know who the heck we are buying from in the first place.

08-05-2003 09:21 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

atillo has the domain and he isn't going to give it to you just because you paid domainp $3000.
You are out 3 G's that you will never see again and you don't have ouch.com either!

08-05-2003 09:21 PM




DomainMyName
Newbie

Hello? Judge Judy?

08-05-2003 09:22 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by jberryhill
"One way to look at this is, who is the Bona Fide Purchaser for value (BFP). "

....if you assume that domain name transactions are within the scope of the UCC...

I don't have time to sort this thread out, so let me see if I followed the allegations correctly.

1. Party A had the domain name.

2. The domain name was bought by party B.

3. Party A alleges it was not paid by party B.

4. Party B's friend offered the domain name for sale here.

5. Party C agreed to buy it and has received transfer of the domain name.

6. Party C has not yet paid Party B's friend because of the allegation of Party A.

Is that where we are?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Party A won the name at godaddy during the drop.
Party A placed it for sale on ebay
Party A sold it to party B
Party A transferred to party B before the echeck had cleared
Party B cancelled the echeck and immediately sold it to party C
Party C put it for sale at ebay and here and sold it to party D
Party C is in Russia so he wanted Western Union
Party D received the domain into his godaddy account however he found out that party B never paid
for the domain. Thinking party B and C were one and the same he elected not to send payment
immediately as party A contacted party D through the grapevine and showed Party D the cancelled
echeck receipt and the godaddy receipt for catching the name during the drop.
Now Party C is claiming he was defrauded by his friend and has resold it within the last few hours
to party E who just wanted the name and doesn't really care that it was fraudulently obtained.

Whew! That's where we're at.

BTW party E what did you pay for the name? Why would you purchase a domain which has serious issues
after reading the postings from the 2 Attorneys?

08-05-2003 09:23 PM




opencg
Cool Member

atillo has to transfer the domain to me its paid for and if a problem occurs in the future it will
be given back to the original owner as long as i get my 3k

08-05-2003 09:24 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

Do you guys agree with his offer?

08-05-2003 09:25 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

it aint going to happen dude, you aint getting the domain. this clears it all up to me, sounds
like you are the friend from Kentucky. You didn't pay domainp anything. Admit it.

08-05-2003 09:26 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

domainp, don't be an idiot. of course no one agrees with this offer.

08-05-2003 09:27 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

opencg is a long-time member. How can he be a friend from KY?

08-05-2003 09:27 PM




LewR
DNF Addict

opencg - You have a better chance of seeing GOD - in person, here in this forum - Attillo is a
person of integrity - unlike others involved in thsi scam

Judge Judy would hang you by your - well - unmanly parts...LOL

08-05-2003 09:28 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

Scam Alert....

Anyone besides me see this?

08-05-2003 09:28 PM




GiantDomains
(((( MODERATOR ))))

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by opencg
atillo has to transfer the domain to me its paid for and if a problem occurs in the future it will
be given back to the original owner as long as i get my 3k
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Ummm, wrong! What are you up to! You are sure looking like a newbie, or a part of this plot.

08-05-2003 09:28 PM




opencg
Cool Member

jh3 you have to much drama and hype i been doing domain business since 1997 and sold a top name to
gregr owner of the site i never was part of any scam you are really looking for a soap opera arent
ya you must be new.

08-05-2003 09:29 PM




Abusiveelusive
DNF Addict

MY GOD. I love this story. It is the most interesting thing I have read in so long.

08-05-2003 09:29 PM




domainp
Cool Newbie

jh3: don't you see that opencg will return domain if anything is found out or solved

08-05-2003 09:29 PM




Bob
Patience Young Jedi!

Wow .. the plot is thickening.

-Bob

08-05-2003 09:30 PM




gckorn
Cool Newbie

1. The fact that Party B cancelled an echeck teaches (under the UCC and Restatement) that the
title held by Party B is voidable, not void.

2. We do not know if Party C was a BFP. Question of fact.

3. Party D certainly cannot be a BFP since he now knows there is an issue and, in fact, has not
paid for the domain.

So, Party A takes the domain from Party D, assuming Party A can prove that Party C was not a BFP
(and assuming, as Phily pointed out, that the UCC applies. But we are just pontificating here and
I'm sure we lawyers don't really want to rub each other's noses in it our foibles; nicer to praise
the fortes.)

08-05-2003 09:30 PM





jh3
Domain Whiz

opencg needs to have no part of this. adding more people only makes the situation more cloudy. You
might as well return the money back to opencg because he will never see that domain.

08-05-2003 09:30 PM




domnet
DNF Addict

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Abusiveelusive
MY GOD. I love this story. It is the most interesting thing I have read in so long.
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lol, we needed a little excitement around here....

08-05-2003 09:31 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

Do I hear violins in the background?

The EBay auction has been shut down but one thing that I did notice that the sellers city said
"web" it was never given so we don't know for sure if Kentucky was the legitimate state of the
seller.

OpenCG I think you can kiss your $3K gone and the name! If you had money to throw away you should
of contacted me so I could have placed my garbage can outdoors.

08-05-2003 09:33 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

The domain needs to stay with atillo untill all of this is cleared up. Point blank, end of story.

08-05-2003 09:33 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by domainp
Do you guys agree with his offer?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



That's just unbelievable!

So Open you are buying a name which may have been illegally obtained and have paid for it even
though you know that attillo has it in his posession?
You feel your hard copies of the transaction and proof of payment will protect you regardless of
your prior knowledge of the issues surrounding this name?

As of right now the ONLY owner of the domain name is Attillo. It is in his account.

DomainP, have you called Mr. Wan? Can you give us an update on his whereabouts?

I still havent figured out how the name transferred from Mr Wan to DomainP so quickly and then made
it back on ebay?

08-05-2003 09:33 PM




opencg
Cool Member

jh3 who are you to say im not getting a freaken domain i layed 3k on the table for!!!!!!!
I DO NOT FREAKEN REMEMBER ANYONE GETTING ARRESTED FOR THIS **** HERE. give me a break all I can see
here is a ongoing topic that cannot be cleared up!!!

08-05-2003 09:34 PM




domainman
Newbie

The Russian probably has stolen paypals, fake Ids etc

08-05-2003 09:36 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

[mod edit]

no personal attacks please.

[/mod edit]

08-05-2003 09:36 PM




ClassicNames.com
Every Name is a Classic!

Does Domain P the thread starter get paid dnf bucks each time this thread grows! He should be rich
by now!

08-05-2003 09:36 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

how did he pay for his platinum membership?

08-05-2003 09:37 PM




Togoodhlth
Domain Whiz

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by opencg
jh3 who are you to say im not getting a freaken domain i layed 3k on the table for!!!!!!!
I DO NOT FREAKEN REMEMBER ANYONE GETTING ARRESTED FOR THIS **** HERE. give me a break all I can see
here is a ongoing topic that cannot be cleared up!!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Are you kidding? Internet fraud is a serious offense and people are arrested and convicted all the
time.
I involved the police when I was defrauded on ebay.

You may have been protected had you not been privy to the information within this thread.

08-05-2003 09:37 PM




Bob
Patience Young Jedi!

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by opencg
jh3 who are you to say im not getting a freaken domain i layed 3k on the table for!!!!!!!
I DO NOT FREAKEN REMEMBER ANYONE GETTING ARRESTED FOR THIS **** HERE. give me a break all I can see
here is a ongoing topic that cannot be cleared up!!!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



[moderator enters - checks thread temperature, rising to the critical point]

Keep it cool guys. We are all trying to figure this out.

[moderator exits and turns on the air-conditioning]

08-05-2003 09:37 PM




FrontRow
Platinum Boo!

lol this must be the fastest growing thread in the history of DNF.

opencg: you are either part of the scam [mod edit NO PERSONAL ATTACKS [/mod edit] . would you like
to buy movies.com? Only $2500. I don't own it yet, but I am pretty sure I will get it. You need to
pay me now for it though, and if I do get it I'll transfer it to you.

08-05-2003 09:37 PM




winfreecash
Domain Whiz

calm down opencg...jh3 is correct. I highly doubt atillio will hand it over to you.

08-05-2003 09:38 PM




Mr Webname
Oldbie

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by jh3
The domain needs to stay with atillo untill all of this is cleared up. Point blank, end of story.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




Agree.

08-05-2003 09:39 PM




opencg
Cool Member

was atillio the one that paid 3k if not he does not have any business with the domain im the one
in charge of it now

08-05-2003 09:40 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

That was a good one Bob! I guess we forget this was a sales thread - probably will get over 3000 p
age views but I have never had this much fun on the forum!!!!!!!!! YIPPEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

08-05-2003 09:40 PM




Bob
Patience Young Jedi!

Guys- keep this to a DISCUSSION and NOT PERSONAL ATTACKS.

Thread will be closed otherwise.

I understand this this is a sensitive issue. Lets discuss it like adults and stop the name calling.

-Bob

08-05-2003 09:40 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

lol, you are just digging yourself a deeper hole man. every post you make makes you sound like you
are part of the scam and not the solution.

08-05-2003 09:41 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

Opencg you are not in charge if it is not in your GoDaddy account.

08-05-2003 09:42 PM



opencg
Cool Member

what whole bitch i got 3k out there and your talking about a ****ing whole! and making a joke out
of it!

08-05-2003 09:42 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

I think personal attacks may be just in this situation. sometimes only the extreme can get through
on some people.

08-05-2003 09:43 PM




com
Domain Whiz

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by domainman
The Russian probably has stolen paypals, fake Ids etc
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



I would take it easy on 'Russian' refferences. You dont see me going around and saying 'the
American'.

08-05-2003 09:44 PM




opencg
Cool Member

i trying to figure out a situation here and all jh3 is saying im some scam who is this guy
kidding!!!

08-05-2003 09:44 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

Why did you pay $3000 to domainp? Why?

08-05-2003 09:44 PM




Abusiveelusive
DNF Addict

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by jh3
I think personal attacks may be just in this situation. sometimes only the extreme can get through
on some people.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Congrats on your 1000th post. This thread sure helped you get there.


08-05-2003 09:44 PM




winfreecash
Domain Whiz

opencg..domainp wanted 3k..if in fact you paid him, then he got 3k..like he said, he does not care
if it is legal or not.

08-05-2003 09:45 PM




FrontRow
Platinum Boo!

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by opencg
what whole bitch i got 3k out there and your talking about a ****ing whole! and making a joke out
of it!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



and how exactly did this situation come to be? oh yeah, you knowingly bought a domain from someone
who apparently had no right to sell it to you.

if indeed this all straightens itself out, there appears to be no question you will get the domain.
but I wouldn't count on it, this smells very very bad.

08-05-2003 09:45 PM




fmmp
DNF Addict

Opencg the joke does seem to be on you. You read the thread prior to purchase and knew what you
were getting into. Don't get upset at us - I suggest you "find" Domainp or look in the mirror for
you are the only to blame.

08-05-2003 09:45 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

lol, I would probably be around 3000 posts if my first account was not deleted.

08-05-2003 09:46 PM




jh3
Domain Whiz

exactly, opencg knew of the situation and decided to get involved. you paid $3000 for a domain
that was being held waiting clarification on who owned it. you knew all of this yet you try and get
in the middle. it doesn't make any sense at all, none, natta, not 1 bit.

08-05-2003 09:48 PM










And in the last 2 hours the number of posts has doubled OUCH

Herc

--
http://www.google.com/groups?q=herc+genius 578 results and counting

"Colonel Flagg" <colonel_flagg@NOSOUPFORJ00internetwarzone.org> wrote
> In article <NmYXa.28$tP4.1620@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>, chess3
> @ozemail.com.au says...
>
> >
> >
> > And in the last 2 hours the number of posts has doubled OUCH
> >
>
> as it should be because 1) it's totally hosed now, 2) the escrow folks
> were side tracked on the additional buyer of the domain where the escrow
> folks lost focus on what they were trying to do, find the original and
> the rightful owner of the domain (which may or may not be the same
> person). sounds like a scam gone bad and the scammers are trying to
> recoup their losses.
>
> whew. looks to be a long night in there. good luck....
>

post an update, they moved it to a members only forum.
the Russian (domainp) sounds sincere and even with his $3000 off opencg
he's sticking around. I only skimmed pages 9 to 14 mostly saying
the Russian sounded legit, but Allen or him both contend to be the owner.

so there's a difference of opinion which could leave opencg down $3000 even after
it was exposed. Sounds like the Russians friend stole it (cancelled his
$7500 echeck) but he's not clued up that he's got stolen property.

Maybe with an overseas transfer he'll get away with it.

Not a professional scam that's for sure.
Its a public forum hope I haven't stepped on too many toes.

Herc